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[ZT0100]

To put it short,

 

DB-DA-DA combo is more of a burst damage because it's has less hits than MD. So, it's either big damage from crits or normal damage.

 

MD has more hits. It has a greater chance for crits than the said combo, so more damage on average.

 

DB-DA-DA combo is more versatile since you can use another skill in the middle if you have to. Combo Mastery can proc and you deal even more damage than MD during the 3 secs. 60% + 60%+ 60%= 180%, compared to MD's 110%.

 

MD is a finisher. 110% will go through and is a safer bet than a single crit DB, since getting hitting a critical is up to chance and you can miss that one shot.

 

lol, this is boring math talk. >.> Yeah, they are both very similar. 110% in damage, but have different usages. You want DPS for PvE? DB-DA-DA is good. MD is good when used in hide for PvE, but it's very effective against sliding bodies.

Edited by ZT0100, 19 August 2013 - 03:03 PM.

[Leinzan]

 

Rogues can do it

[3305130708053819460]

Those calculations were really interesting imo. I think I'll consider not completely dropping MD since I like it anyway and apparently it's not that bad after all. I already noticed that the last hit is kinda buggy lately. I'm really curious as to when they'll fix it. I'm going to go for a build like this after reset.  http://www.ro2base.c...310535.22310535

[ZT0100]

My comparison is weird.. but MD sure is a neat skill! I love using it on running targets with 2k-ish HP. It might not have DPS output like using DB multiple times in a row when CM procs, but it's a safer bet to kill someone. I have had many times when people just run away with like 1k HP left because I couldn't use MD. 

 

As for your build, I recommend getting 5/5 DI. It's very crucial because you may lose a KS when you don't deal enough damage. One time, I almost became champion using my maxed doping rogue with 3/5 DI, but the number 1 guy survived with around 100 HP. You're losing 8% damage per level. At 3/5, you're losing 16%. 

 

I suggest getting 1/5 DP, instead. 160 seconds CD means 133 seconds CD in Colo( because of 17% vigor rate.) 180s - 133s= 47 seconds. You would have to use DP within 47 seconds of the round for the CD to be done on time. That doesn't mean you'd have time to use DP effectively due to the limited time left. 3/5 DP can work with guardian since it cuts the CD like in half, but the guardian bar isn't full at the start of every round from what I have experienced. IMO, it's either 1/5 DP or 5/5 DP. Extra points are just going to be wasted.

 

And why are you so adamant of getting a reset? Did you mess up your build already?

Oh, and it looks like Lein has respecced. He doesn't like MoG. Have you considered dropping MoG for DP?

Edited by ZT0100, 21 August 2013 - 02:56 PM.

[Sadee]

but MD sure is a neat skill! I love using it on running targets with 2k-ish HP.....

 

Ditto!

 

Thanks for this guide everyone, was very helpful and helped me gain a few medals already. Im considering doing a reskill as my toon is currently built as PVE type but I hardly do any raids as currently colo gears top everything off.

Edited by Sadee, 21 August 2013 - 06:30 PM.

[Leinzan]

Fun facts!!!

this is for PvE but still is fun.

 

if your «Combo Mastery» procs use your pet, the pet must be an attacker, matters not if it debuffs or not, the point is that it must attack.

During the time your pet is out, use «Smoke Bomb», since your pet is out and attacking the mob, they wont lose target of you, hence they will not reset.

Feel free to use that «10 THOUSAND MOONLIGHT DRIVE»!! on any mob you feel like fighting.

 

HAVE FUN!!!

[Sadee]

Also another fun combo while hiding:

 

Throw Dagger (must be on max range to work) + Dark Illusion + Deadly Blow. 

 

You'll get a double crit chance on both Throw and Dark Illu plus if you're lucky, your Combo Mastery might proc and you get an auto 5point-Deadly-Blow!

[ZT0100]

Also another fun combo while hiding:

 

Throw Dagger (must be on max range to work) + Dark Illusion + Deadly Blow. 

 

You'll get a double crit chance on both Throw and Dark Illu plus if you're lucky, your Combo Mastery might proc and you get an auto 5point-Deadly-Blow!

 

This, or you can use MD!

 

Sadee, that DT+ DI combo has a higher chance of proc'ing CM since each hit has a 9%  chance, doesn't it?

 

 

Also, when you have CM active, you can go into hide, use DI, and then follow up with your MD, DB, or CM. No need to walk around slowly for those with 1/3 hide. ^ ^

 

 

Anyway, cool tricks, guys!

Edited by ZT0100, 22 August 2013 - 03:22 AM.

[3305130708053819460]

 

And why are you so adamant of getting a reset? Did you mess up your build already?

Oh, and it looks like Lein has respecced. He doesn't like MoG. Have you considered dropping MoG for DP?

 

I posted my build a couple of days / weeks ago! xD Did you see it? It's terrible! I got like 3 wasted points in Poison already which is useless in colo if you hide instantly after you die. I'd rather have MD maxed instead of poison. (for pve it's kinda nice to have though) 

[Leinzan]

you are being too hasty, this change hasn't happened yet

 

I would love to see my 20~30 THOUSAND STRIKE come a reality too, but it haven't happened yet and truthfully speaking, sounds too good to be truth >____>!!! (they can still change their minds)

Anyway, be as it may, I already have found it's utility even with all those handicaps... so Im fine eitherway, its mayor flaw still is that it fixates you in place

[8729130607033955267]

Spoiler

 

Rogues can do it

 

 

Rogues can do it

Bm can do it

 

[Leinzan]

Spoiler

 

 

Rogues can do it

Bm can do it

Oh believe me, BMs ARE scary...

 

I've been run over by them MANY times, if I see one at the final, I say "oh boy, this is bad"

[8729130607033955267]

Oh believe me, BMs ARE scary...

 

I've been run over by them MANY times, if I see one at the final, I say "oh boy, this is bad"

 

yeap, but meanwhile its 1st time i see BM 5 round oO

[Leinzan]

its like the 5th time for me

[ZT0100]

 

First championship after weeks or a month of failures! Rogues can do it, WOOOOOO!!!!

I know it's only a win, but it sure means a lot to me lol. I think I am getting a little bit better now, and it's all thanks to you guys on this thread for giving me tips and tricks.   

 

P.S. - I cropped my face off and censored my name because I don't want people to know who I am.

 

[Leinzan]

Congratulations on your first victory!! it feels great right? but why hide your IGN >=D?!!!

well, my IGN is the same as in forums soooo meh.

[ZT0100]

Thanks, Lein! It felt awesome. I was in 1st place and started running around in circles with wind elixir on. Some wizard shot at me and killed me with DoT. I respawned and was still number 1, used DP and SB, and hid for like 20 seconds till it was over. Those last seconds were very thrilling because I was afraid someone was going to get 1st place. It's not that great of a win, but I did it.

 

As for not showing my identity, it's because I am just a paranoid person. I rather be safe than sorry.  lol 

[Leinzan]

Another trick to add to the list!!

 

if you are first place, last round and all targets are on you while you are running, you are DoTed (of course) and your SB is avilable... IT STILL IS USABLE!!

Run to the middle, pass through the place with the most people/porings, JUMP and use SB!!

the DoT will reveal you in 2 seconds at most, but you will lose AAAAALL targets on you.

If people are very desperate and you were running really fast, the first person they will target will likely not be you, and might go for that "other bet", after all you will be hard to see and target with either tab or mouse.

(this trick brought me today's victory!)

 

on another note, its also good to lose ranger's target on you and bring a comeback in middle rounds, but its not very good against a frozen state or at a too open space.

Edited by Leinzan, 27 August 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[ZT0100]

Sounds legit.. I'll have to try that sometimes in the future. 

 

Oh, and I am dropping MoG in my build. The only thing I enjoy in this game is Colo, so no PvE, dungeons, raids, whatever for me. 1.6% is way too insignificant to waste 4 points on, and who knows when that 1.6% chance is going to come into play when you need it the most. Plus, more buffs in Colo is a drag after you respawn... So, this is a friendly warning to 3305130708053819460: If you're completely PvP oriented, then don't max MoG, dude. Our support skills( MoD and MoG) are just going to mess us up more. I hope we get a skill reset tomorrow. Points are way too valuable for rogues. MD is getting buffed, so make sure you get it

Edited by ZT0100, 27 August 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[jellopyking]

meep

 

 

1st 1st

Edited by jellopyking, 02 September 2013 - 12:24 PM.

[Leinzan]

Congrats dude!

 

Those are a lot of pets!!

Edited by Leinzan, 02 September 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[yvra]

Yeah i master the art of KS! with lvl 5 DI and many thanks to buffed MD - they die while running

Edited by yvra, 02 September 2013 - 07:22 PM.

[ZT0100]

Yeah i master the art of KS! with lvl 5 DI and many thanks to buffed MD - they die while running

 

Well done and YES to die while running.

 

 

 

All you champion rogues have VIP. Maybe I should find a way to make zennies and chip in...

Edited by ZT0100, 02 September 2013 - 08:05 PM.

[yvra]

Well done and YES to die while running.

 

 

 

All you champion rogues have VIP. Maybe I should find a way to make zennies and chip in...

and thanks to speed pots from daily quest in prontera i always have +60%movement speed the whole time

[ZT0100]

and thanks to speed pots from daily quest in prontera i always have +80%movement speed the whole time

 

Fixed.