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[Leeny]

Merge the servers, Add [D] or [L] to the character names. Problem solved.

[Cracker]

Actually you only need to tag the Draco players.  Leonis is the original server so the server and players within should get the prefrence.  I don't think you need to merge if the problem is people queing for instances.   Not sure how all the other games do it but most have cross server instances to eliminate or at least cut down on the wait time.

[katryn]

Actually you only need to tag the Draco players.  Leonis is the original server so the server and players within should get the prefrence.

 

Perfectly good reasoning... NOT.

[aboodmohd]

actually the D and L tags would be stupid..

 

what about the new players that would join the game, which tag would they have?...

 

and  i agree on "Force to change name" thing 

[100002305997764]

Just. Dont.

[turnermanxi]

Guess some of you haven't read the whole thing because if you have, someone IE: ME, said the new players would just have regular names.  And why not?  There are so many reasons why the servers SHOULD be merged than why it shouldn't.  Someone give me a list of reason why the servers shouldn't merge and I guarentee you I (or someone else) could outweigh it with reasons why the server should.  Dare you...

[ScrappyCat]

Please don't merge! If people want a crowded server then move to Draconis. Personally, I enjoy farming and soloing without crowds.

[SpawN9999]

Put an invisible character Infront of each draconis name

[Dirtyarry]

Put an invisible character Infront of each draconis name

so how would you whisper this char?

[DigitalKitten]

The only way to solve it would be to make everyone namechange when they log on, so your characters don't have names and you get a free namechange.
First one to choose the name that is. But to be honest, most don't have the same names, unless it's ex. My own character in two servers hence why I choose the same name on both or so. But it's probably more complicated than the name issue.

[Zurn]

If possible they could do what RO2 did and "Reserve" names of one server for x amount of time, once that times up the name is a free for all to get.

[DigitalKitten]

Yea I was thinking something like that Zurn.
We would need some Cm / gm or w/e to view this thread and give an actual reason for why it's not done, because no matter how much we discuss.. the OP won't get closure til a developer actually responds.
 

[Feuer]

Genesis and Leonis have both responded to these threads before. Just saying, it has been responded to, they're simply waiting to see [1] if it is possible with the current hardware [2] if the community could really handle it, and if they reall want it enough for long enough.

[Phish]

actually the D and L tags would be stupid..

 

what about the new players that would join the game, which tag would they have?...

 

and  i agree on "Force to change name" thing 

 

 

The D and L tags could only be applied to characters with the same name which are on both servers. These characters could also get a free account bound name change coupon on said account. New characters and characters which are exclusive to one server wouldn't change names.

[PureCreativity]

What up with all the D and L tags, just get everyone a forced name change upon login, that's the fairest way.

[coalchamberloco]

What up with all the D and L tags, just get everyone a forced name change upon login, that's the fairest way.

 

Only for name conflicts anyway, or else people will just steal names to scam others.  I still think who ever had the name first keeps it, and the other account will just have to use a free name change. 

[PureCreativity]

It's not really stealing a name when nobody is using it, therefor it's fair to give everyone a forced name change, this is less work for the Dev team, otherwise they will have to look through all of the accounts, dates & possibly namechange (dates) and look who had their name first....

[turnermanxi]

Everyone is looking too much at the name change.  There are too many solutions for that.  The developers probably want other topics be discussed as in how will you all deal with the economy or why do we think that merging the servers would bring more players.  Right now if they were to look at this thread, they would probably turn the other head because no one is having any interesting reasoning for merging the server....come on people.

Edited by turnermanxi, 08 September 2013 - 08:25 AM.

[PureCreativity]

Merging the servers is one of the solutions to fix the Economy.. as I stated before, both servers have their own economy and when they are combined into 1 server the players of Leonis & Draconis will have to compete with eachother

in order to sell their items at a much fairer rate, the prices will probably drop since Leonis market is too Overpriced.

and btw there have been quite alot of people stating their reasons to merge the servers, it looks like you didn't read everything in the topic...

 

*Merging the servers will give the game a much more*Packed* look, for now the game looks dead since there is nobody around except for junon etc.

*Economy will probably drop

*More people to play with (Game Arena, Clan wars, Training grounds)

 

 

Edited by djilano, 08 September 2013 - 09:12 AM.

[Feuer]

OK Let's really get this thing pinned down.

 

The best way to get this topic to be fully discussed and decided on will be by

 

• Talking the pro's / benefits of merging the two servers [Draconis] & [Leonis]
• Talking about the con's / negatives of merging.
• What does it all mean
• How does it work
• What type of problems could occur

 

And finally the question for the community itself to answer

"Why people want / don't want the merge"

 

So first up~ 

 

What would the pro's / benefits be of merging the two live servers?

 

The most obvious up is population.

Spoiler

 

By merging the two live servers [Draconis & Leonis] the population would all be scrunched into 1 shared realm. This is beneficial to the game as it allows players to socialize more, and find people to play with more often. It will encourage good behavior and manners, as everyone will be on the same server and frequently see the other players of their time zone and social clic's. A sense of reputation and pride can be earned in an environment like this as each positive and negative action will follow you, there would be no running to another server when people are acting out.

 

The next would be exploration

Spoiler

 

By having all of the players playing on one server, it will fill out the most popular leveling spots quickly and frequently. This will encourage exploration of the ROSE worlds by tempting players with the question "Should I wait an unknown amount of time for the spot to be open, or should I go find some quests to do, or make a group and find a new, potentially better spot?" This sense of exploration will not only encourage players to be more patient and adventurous but also further the sense of community in game. By people going and exploring, they'll often bring friends with them.

 

Then we have Game Arenas

Spoiler

 

With such a large quantity of players in one spot, qeue's for things like Crystal Defenders, Draconis Peaks, Halls of Oblivion etc will go much much faster. It might even finally allow for the lower level modes to get active qeues. 

 

Items

Spoiler

 

With more people in one place, there will be an abundance of materials for crafting, refining and other things. This makes the economy level out, and harder for any one person or group to control the flow of the economy. Essentially preventing a monopoly.

 

Community Support

Spoiler

 

With sooo many people floating about, new players will have plenty of opportunity to ask other players for help with problems and questions. This will strengthen the players bonds with each other and eventually give fair turn abouts when those new players who got help when they really needed it, are knowledgeable enough to help new players themselves. 

 

Ok So what about the con's

 

Limited Space

Spoiler

 

By limited space I'm referring to things like space to vend in, clan hang out spots etc. Having such a large community all basing 90% of their activities from 1 map [Junon Polis] would just be hectic in it's own. Players with lesser performing computers could expect lag spikes, and possible loading issues up and even including DC's. Not only that but it puts even more strain on new players to get into the market and a firm understanding of items values and rarity.

 

Economic Crash

Spoiler

 

While the end result of a large player controlled economy is a smooth slow reacting market, the initial shock of merging the two into one would almost be catastrophic. With players on Leonis having such a large zully pool in-game, in comparison to Draconis, they're using to prices being in the multi billions for max tiers. While Draconis players aren't used to as high priced items. This will boil down to 3 main issues at first.

1: Leonis players would almost feel scammed, because the draconis player will be massively undercutting the current prices [in comparison] because they're used to those lower prices, and are willing to sell things for less, because they're used to buying them for less as well.

2: Draconis players would be shocled at the almost double pricing of Leonis players. Most of the Draconis players might even feel like they got the short end of the stick because what they had before [maybe 10 bil] will pale in comparison to the cost of a max tier set that Leonis players would normally price at.

3: Stand off: Because of the two above issues, the market would essentially HALT completely for some time, with Leonis players not wanting to give into lower prices, and Draconis players not be able to afford the higher Leonis prices. Neither of the two economies would want to give in and this could cripple things like Catalyst sales, gems and other consumables. As the market becomes more and more scarce, prices of those things will sky rocket, as the demand will be almost double and the supply will be almost a fourth. 

 

After the Stand off phase happens, there would most likely be a massive crash, where everything start becoming sold, at incredibly inflated prices [catalyst prices affect the prices of refined sets, if the cata prices are up, so are refined sets]. A massive sell off would probably occur at these inflated prices, and could take months for the average price to drop. If it ever does at all.

 

Over supply and zully pooling

Spoiler

 

With so many people farming and playing the game, an over stock of "rare" items would occur. Epics would be stacking up like blues, and npc's will be generating zuly into the game at almost twice the rate as it is with so many players NPCing trash materials. This could encourage inflation to almost double it's rate.

Moving on.

"What does it all mean?"

 

Merging the server really means exactly that. Taking the database files of two servers, and dumping them both into 1 "container" so to say. 

 

"How does it work?"

 

Spoiler

Essentially you could think of a server as just any regular computer. But the parts are different when it comes to a VM [Virtual Machine] Server. Instead of hard drives, ram etc, a VM has files and structures.

They mostly contain

Spoiler

Storage: For holding permanent data like characters, names, skills, items etc.
 - These are broken down into "tables" like an SQL spread sheet. The tables could be in any order containing any information like 
 - - - Account -> Acc ID | User ID | Password |Characters | IP | Acc Status | Acc Permissions | Last Login | Prem 
 - - - Characters -> ID | Name | ID | Level | Class | MP | HP | Stats | etc
 - - - Items -> Owner ID | Item ID | Slot | Requirements | Stats | Appraised etc
 - - - NPCs -> ID | Friendly | Quest IDs | Options | Tabs | Stats | etc

 

Operations: Instructions of how to perform calculations and functions with the data is saves, sends and receives.

Functions/Commands: The actual data for each individual function.

 

The server will also contain copies of compiled programs that "house" the servers. For example there would be something like

Login_Server.exe

Character_Server.exe

Rose_World_Server.exe

 

There could also be things like

Web Server

Update Server

Game server 1

Game server 1

 

Each of those server could all be programmed to "speak" to eachother depending on the function being executed.

 

A merge works by

[Backing up EVERYTHING to a remote location]

Taking all of the tables that hold players information, and copying them both into a new table. 

Then you would need to check for issues and errors like duplicate Character ID numbers, Duplicate Name Strings, Duplicate Item Owner Tags, Etc and re-issue those dupllicates new, unique ID's that won't match up with any other ID or number.

After that is completed, they will then create all of the universal things like NPC's Quests, spawn points etc. that both servers had and are not unique to the two individual servers, and place these into the new server.

Once that is completed, and done correctly, they may delete the other two [old] server structures.

Next, They would need to recode any of the other servers [like the update servers and web servers, to only communicate with the newly created server. Also making sure the old connections become secured and blocked.

Once this is all accomplished, Everything will need to be compiled, trouble shot, fix any issues, tested and then put up live. 

 

Here's the kicker part, all of this can be done, and tested, without EVER touching the current live servers. Simply by making a copy of the two live servers, and placing them on a private network, everything can be performed on a localhost and verified working, and issue free. Performing it this route, with a back up, would guarentee that noone loses anything. 

 

"What type of problems could occur?"

 

If done correctly nothing, everything would have back-ups and fail safes to ensure that even if an issue arises, there is an original or replacement on hand that functions correctly. Essentially a massive Ctrl + Z shortcut for the whole operation.

If done incorrectly, complete and total failure up to the entire ROSE online game being shut down do to total data loss.

So Now it's really up to the community to contribute their ideas of Pro's Con's and if it should be performed or not. So let the CM's and Developers know, what's your stance and why. 

 

Hope this helps, not just with clearing up any questions people may have [heck even I have questions about it]. I just want to be a thorough as possible, as I do support a merge myself, but I also support ROSE staying playable, fun and of course online. Also, none of this is quoted from a developers, it's my take on it all, from personal and professional experiences in the field and my observations over many years with the game. Some of this may be wrong and I might not even know it. Structures for the servers could be different, files could be stored in different manners etc. The only people who really know are the people who run those things. 

 

But it's not about facts, it's about your's, my and the community's stance on it. The only facts that matter are the outcomes. Cheers.

 

@Genesis: Acknowledged. 

Edited by Feuer, 08 September 2013 - 02:58 PM.

[iEATcupcakes]

I'm not sure if someone asked this already, but how about making a poll thread?

[Stachola]

I'm not sure if someone asked this already, but how about making a poll thread?

 

I don't think a poll is necessary. Majority have already stated they would like a server merge.

[Bendersmom]

Basically, the devs know our wants and concerns.  They wanted the pros and cons about it which if you look back through this thread that has been posted.  They can't do it tomorrow or anything.  They actually said they have discussed it and are looking at the different aspects of it.  They will either get the database fixed up some and then maybe be able to do it, or not.  It will be a decision that they will make one way or the other.  And I don't think it will be based on how hard or easy it is, it will be based on what is good to progress the game, whether or not it is good for Rose and what the players all want.  

[claw68]

Everywant wants the D

 

on their names.

 

huehuehuehue

 

ifyouknowwhatimean

[Valakas]

Merging the servers is one of the solutions to fix the Economy.. as I stated before, both servers have their own economy and when they are combined into 1 server the players of Leonis & Draconis will have to compete with eachother

in order to sell their items at a much fairer rate, the prices will probably drop since Leonis market is too Overpriced.

and btw there have been quite alot of people stating their reasons to merge the servers, it looks like you didn't read everything in the topic...

 

*Merging the servers will give the game a much more*Packed* look, for now the game looks dead since there is nobody around except for junon etc.

*Economy will probably drop

*More people to play with (Game Arena, Clan wars, Training grounds)

 

Does not work that way at all. If both servers merged and one presume that Leonis's vendor will follow suit with Draco's Prices and thus balancing the economy, then one is looking fairy high upon Draco vendors. No one seemed to think that Draco vendors can also raise their prices to match existing Leo prices in order to make more money. Even if both sides reaches the middle range between the Highest - Lowest price, Draco will still end up paying more for an item and Leo will be paying less. 

In this situation, no doubt Leonis vendors will be making less, but making making less does not mean loss . Its still profit, just lesser. If this really comes to reality, rich Leonis players will be spending alot lesser in grabbing stocks and thus monopolying the market and in the end, market prices will raise again. 

Before really thinking about Merging servers, I hope WP have an effective way of Zulie draining on both servers. Balance out the ratio between total amount of Zulies in one server to the nearest possibly percentage in the other before merging them. What we need is a competitive market, not a wholesale massacre. Merging both servers blindly now will result in a massacre. 

We may be enjoying more benefits from companionship and GA buddies, but in the long run we will all be consumed by the market. While some of you are busy having fun with new friends, many will fail to realised the threat approaching from behind. Think twice really before even going that far and suggest all those possible changes. If servers merging are unavoidable, then we should plan it out more carefully from different angles, In-Game and Out alike.