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#1 Heimdallr

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:45 PM

This forum is directly a part of our "Plan of Attack" for November.

We are making topics that players can reply into, we are looking for specific bugs and game play issues with the topics. Feedback that is actionable will be gathered and appropriate game changes requested of the RO development team. We are structuring the forum in a "guided topic" format to cut down on the "noise" of me too replies.

We will likely add topics if there is a need seen from community chat that aren't being covered by the topics provided. Off topic posts will be deleted/ignored we need to do this to keep order which in turn expedites our work. We have a window of opportunity this month to have the best chance of making permanent changes to Ragnarok to suit our community, we want to do this as best as we can and as quickly.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:47 PM

Im not sure what you have planned for each specific topic, but BOOKING should be one.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:15 PM

Please address Warlock cast times.

And the fact that support classes got shafted. Heal nerf? Exhale nerf? No thank you.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:25 PM

Wiz cast times really need to be fixed, Storm gust is almost always used to get to warlock and the cast time on that is just stupidly slow and unreasonable. I do not know about the other cst times having not tested it out. but sg needs to have a shorter cast time.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:41 PM

Wanderer/Maestro Song of Despair does not function correctly. It says it affects everything in a 3x3 but it only works on whatever runs over it first. So in other words the skill is broken and need a fix.

Or is it supposed to catch a "single" target within a 3x3? Skill description is confusing. Still, monsters tele when they are caught and hit, useless in pvm.

Edited by Hanyuu, 01 November 2010 - 03:36 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:56 PM

Return Heal to its previous formula because the current formula for Heal really sucks considering players can now get even more HP going to 3rd class.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:58 PM

Make it so str actual has meaning to have, It is insanely stupid that all you need now is high atk weapon to have good attack damage with out str. I mean really who and there right mind though make str have almost no factor in attack power was a good idea? I mean really the new weapon damage formula were lvl 3 and lvl 4 weapons do more damage it good idea, but nerf str so much that str mean next to nothing to the final damage compared to weapons atk power is just asinine. and makes the stat complete useless.

If a character with 100 str and is doing only slightly more damage then another character with just 50 str and the same exact weapon, It kinda defeats the purpose STR completely. Its like you trying to make all character do identical normal melee damage, which kill the uniqueness of have have high power how str character.

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#8 Heimdallr

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 02:49 PM

I can tell this will fail already, this topic is not where the feedback goes.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 02:58 PM

Maybe a thread in this section about server logistics wouldn't be a bad idea? For instance, a thread where something like http://forums.warppo...post__p__167142 would fit.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:01 PM

Pred: iRO logistics have nothing to do with what to change with renewal. This is about renewal changes not with x server should switch to? or change woe time to !
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:06 PM

Well, there are suggestions that address Renewal as a whole rather than any particular job classes. If you can make a section for that and move my post there, then that's fine. Otherwise, people are just going to continue posting general Renewal stuff in this thread.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:10 PM

Maybe so, but one of the reasons Renewal has been taking so poorly is because of how it was implemented, and it's effects on WoE. If you limit WoE to a test server for now while people level their main chars, you would be hearing a lot fewer complaints, since more people would be able to see what skills from a lvl 150 class do to a lvl 150 class, not what we see now which is 150->120. You'd get a lot more useful feedback by providing a playing field that's more level, while still giving incentive to participate there, which is the entire idea I was trying to convey in my post. We can sort out balancing issues right now, or we can listen to people complain about imbalances for years to the point where people complain about imbalances because they've been complaining about it for so long they're just used to it.

You've stated that you want to work out the issues and make WoE more fun for everyone, the logistics of implementation aren't necessarily renewal specific changes, but looking at how to change the way things are handled such as what x server should switch to will accomplish the task you're looking to accomplish in a much more user-friendly and organized manner, while providing both a fair and competitive playing field to test on.


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If it's not already planned, a thread on the renewal user interface overall wouldn't be a bad idea.

Edited by Pred, 01 November 2010 - 03:12 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 04:16 PM

Heim. people are posting general stuff here because there are things that we want fixed that are not necessarily class specific. Here's some ideas of categories to add.
*Ways to improve the party system
*ideas on improving monster experience as their levels go up.
*expanding more Eden Group like quests
*general things we want to see changed.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:06 PM

I vote for the party exp improvement topic too !

as for the Eden Group quests, i thought they intended already to add more quests, that should be just the beginning.

Also we need a ragnarok database D:, the usual place where iRO players went just died. "amesani"

Edited by Jaibuu, 01 November 2010 - 05:06 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:48 PM

I think some people either want the 2x exp to stay in or buff the exp from the monstersI can see when it ends that the amonth of exp i am getting is going to be cut in half and its going to be ao grindy.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:35 PM

I think some people either want the 2x exp to stay in or buff the exp from the monstersI can see when it ends that the amonth of exp i am getting is going to be cut in half and its going to be ao grindy.


I don't think buffing the exp of monsters, or keeping 2x exp is something people would want, that doesn't fix anything, it only reduces the grind time, which isnt actually good.
It needs to give more rewards when partying, without making soloing pointless ( freedom ) is important ofc, but it has to affect only the people within the screen, ( like the dragons events etc )

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:47 PM

I do love to party on most of my char, and yes they need to fix the party share so either we get all the exp from the per party member or give us a bonus for each member. I am talking about the soloers out there also. I solo my RK and is now 118 and its good to solo so I learn how to play with my char. They need to try and make everyone happy not just the people that like to party. Also people cant find parties all the time either so they are forced to solo if they want tot lvl. Well more to the point its harder for some classes to get a pary because either they are no help where they are lvling or people are just being an ass.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:52 PM

Oh for the love of god, please put in a repair and kafra storage in the inns please. Not all of us liek to save and woe off the woe maps. and its a little unfair to us that still woe out of the inns. So please please please please please please please put them in the inns
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:55 PM

Since there is no thread for MVPs...

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, FIX MVP MAGIC ATTACK.

35k HP and I get 1 shotted my Mistress' JT. I get 1-shotted by a Storm Gust from Garm and Stormy.

Something's wrong there.

Elemental Armor is also broken, otherwise I might stand a chance. In addition, they're still 1-shotting me even with my Alice Valk. >_>

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 08:00 PM

damn thats some strong mvps magic attack
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 08:05 PM

MVP MATK is either the same or half as their regular ATK. Ouch.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:02 PM

I feel that the sub-forum you have recently created is lacking many threads. Their are numerous issues that need to be touched on outside of class skills. I will list possible thread topics below.

Eden Quests
Party Exp Modifier
Monster Spawn Amount
Booking System
Skill Description Format
Monster Experience in Relation to Level
Monster AI
MvP Concerns
PvP Room Concerns
100+ Gear Additions
God Items
Cards
USRC-Concerned about multiple RO versions.
Lack of Class Skills, Limited Diversity
EXP Tables ((# Of Exp to get to certain level))
GM In Game Activity
In Game Political System


These are just some that I have seen other players mention, or myself feel are needed. I would appreciate a reply to this message whenever able. I know your very busy with renewal, and the amount of players expecting your attention is overwhelming im sure. I am rooting for you Heim. In guild chat, or ventrilo, we joke about you on occasion. Just know its all in good fun and all the players truly admire you. We look up to your position of power, and go to you with any concerns. The community hasn't turned its back on you, just Renewal is such a critical change to a game that hasn't had any game rebalacing since trans classes really. Some of us are scared.

Even if many of the player requested changes arent made, I will likely still play RO. That doesn't mean I wont fight for them though. Lets all work together to make renewal fun for everyone.

Thanks for your time.

Edited by Theoretical, 02 November 2010 - 09:16 AM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:04 PM

How about a thread regarding items / gear? Asprika and Brynhild need a buff and/or fixing properly.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:07 PM

is there anyway to add items/gear subthreads?

IE Asprika sucks a lot now compared to before and so does ghostring..

lol edit ^ i see i'm not the only one who thinks this.. there is a bunch of threads on this in irowiki

Edited by SisterMary, 01 November 2010 - 09:08 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:27 PM

I'd like to see a topic about leveling in general. The biggest problem is that leveling is mind-numbingly boring. The entire game is built around forcing you to fight things that aren't a challenge, solo, forever. That's the main reason people aren't leveling - there's no fun in it anymore... it's an absolute chore.
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