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[Brindizer]

ANY class can be support or offensive build if you use your argument.
Arch Bishop-->support or battle
Wizard-->full vit/dex ganbantein/white imprison / march of abyss / disable build vs damage
Wanderer-->support (stun/buff) or offensive severe rainstorm
Maestro --> same ^^
Royal Guard -> support (battlechant / sacrifice) or pure offensive
Shadow Stalker --> melee spec/copy offensive abilities vs support (manhole, chaos, strip)
Rune Knight--> buffer / tank or offensive
Sura--> pure buffer or offensive

Playing Devil's Advocate. Buff Mechanics.

[Tolrin]

I personally am against nerfing cart cannon specifically (not the other skills, some of them deserve cast times) for the same reason that I am for removing the snipers focus arrow strike cast time. Both of these are medium strength skills that can be used for pressure play from range in PvP, and neither of them deserve cast times at all. Cart cannon would be fine IMO if they just removed the cast time from it entirely.

Hells plant and howling mandragora both deserve cast times, and should probably have fixed portions, as both of those skills are WAY stronger than cart cannon.

[Miii]

Sure, just give me 3 seconds to hide mmkay?

Deal with it, what alse can I say =/ use pneuma or blind mist if according to your sig you are a scholar/high priest.

Also I agree with Tolrin, Howling and Hell plant need cast =x as well as fixing hell plant on being able to cast under the target =__= .

[Kaden14]

Cart cannon is fine, you're complaining about the wrong skill. Like I said before, this is like a lvl 70 character dying to double meg, fooded tss and then crying that tss needs a nerf pre renewal. Shut the hell up about cart cannon.

Anyway, on to the real balance issues:

Mandragora Howling ( you ray):

There needs to be a way to resist this, because currently (regardless of the skill description) nothing resists the chance or duration. Also, I don't think this should add a fixed cast time to skills that have no cast time to begin with like snap, pneuma and of course bwing (lol?)


Crazy Weed:

This skill is just retarded. The high wiz ganb has a ridiculously long cast time to the point where it's pretty much useless in woe, not to mention the aoe is only 3x3. This thing is a 13x13 ganb that can be instant cast AND does damage. At the very least, this needs a fixed cast time.


Hell's Plant:


Strong skill, but I don't think the damage is broken. I do think this needs a small fixed cast time though (maybe 0.5-1 second).

Edited by Kaden14, 10 November 2010 - 01:59 PM.

[meoryou2]

^ Two can play at this game.



meoryou2 really should learn about stuff before flapping his /her /its lips... just like "thara frog cards sucked and always will suck even in renewal" stance from the old forums HAHAHA now people are like " you wear shield ... wtf?"

Jayed really should think before posting. Making up as you go along just makes you look even dumber than whining that "I can't tank whole guilds now WAH WAH" .
And yeah, my cart cannon / weed geneticist STILL uses all racial reduc shields thank you very much.

[rayy]

ninja nerf on cart cannon damage with maintenance, sup

[Skank]

gratz on nerfing a skill that didn't need to be nerfed

[Doddler]

Considering we got the latest skill balance for genetic today, we probably also got balancing for mandragora to allow it to be resisted.

[SamuelAdams]

RIP my biochem, I won't be playing you at all anymore, you will now be used for vending only.
Kill my leveling skills more please. (Hell, I don't even woe)

[BradleyRyan]

RIP my biochem, I won't be playing you at all anymore, you will now be used for vending only.
Kill my leveling skills more please. (Hell, I don't even woe)

You're lucky yours is still a biochem. I just changed mine into a geneticist.
hmm... I should have just focused on my high priest and made an archbishop.

[Miii]

I can't belive QQ'ers got what they wanted... congrats I guess, im quitting this class =__=

[rayy]

lets all make QQ posts on the rune knight, sura threads and get them nerfed too http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif

[Yggdrasil]

Please put cart canon back so people can I dont know... LEVEL their characters? GMs seriously if your going to implement something could you atleast KNOW WHAT IT DOES? My Wanderer can kill mobs way faster before the patch than my Genetic even when my Genetic is at a higher level. Im usually one of the last people to complain to GMs about screwing up but seriously this irritates me to no end.

[Symphony3000]

Please put cart canon back so people can I dont know... LEVEL their characters? GMs seriously if your going to implement something could you atleast KNOW WHAT IT DOES? My Wanderer can kill mobs way faster before the patch than my Genetic even when my Genetic is at a higher level. Im usually one of the last people to complain to GMs about screwing up but seriously this irritates me to no end.

Exactly. I've played this game nearing on a decade and never complained about anything. These changes have me upset at RO for the first time - and that's including the endless times the game just doesn't work due to one crisis or another.

If this was a mistake, it needs to be fixed as a priority. If it wasn't a mistake... I fear for the game as a whole, as we're heading towards the same cry-whinge-nerf reaction that buries many MMOs. It won't stop with Genetics. So all you people laughing now, will suddenly be up in arms when your Sura/Rune Knight/whatever is targeted next.

Buff other classes and say no to nerfs.

[Kadelia]

Jayed really should think before posting. Making up as you go along just makes you look even dumber than whining

LMAO, the slowest horse finally crosses. I was making the exact point about you. I satirically mocked the false stuff you said about me. Welcome to the same page, slowbro.

Also, kRO nerfed cart canon already and we just got the update. Suck on that.

be up in arms when your Sura/Rune Knight/whatever is targeted next.

Buff other classes and say no to nerfs.

1) Sura/RK/RG do need to be nerfed as well.
2) Its better to nerf the high end than buff the low end, for several reasons:
- Buffing low end obsoletes many challenges and requires endgame content to be enhanced again and again, creating a game that perpetually needs to be fixed.
- Making the line of power for third classes at the upper instead of the lower end of what we're seeing further divides the line between 2nd and 3rd jobs, making the game virtually unplayable until you are 3rd job, defeating the whole point of the tiered class system.
- The upper tiered skills are too strong and ruin woe/pvp. Ask anyone; their favorite pvp era of PVP was PRE-TRANS, when it took longer to kill people.

ATM the game is very boring as every 3rd job essentially has an AoE that can 1 shot a ton of small fries up to lvl 130 or so. We need to see more single target skills that reach the damage peak you were seeing on many 3rd job skills (with longer cooldowns), and higher HP/higher EXP enemies, to offer better duo/trio party play.

Edited by Jaye, 11 November 2010 - 05:58 AM.

[Haldor]

Cart Cannon didn't get nerfed because of "QQers" It got nerfed by KRO for whatever reason. Whenever we get the rest of the skill balancing patches it might not be as bad. Either way, get used to it, cause I doubt it's going to get changed back.

[Kadelia]

"QQers" is code for "people with a shred of wisdom, whose sentiments were already concurred with by the development team and addressed".

Its essentially a term used by butt-hurt powergamers people who shouldn't be trusted with designing game mechanics.

[rayy]

i think you just described yourself Jaye, stop trolling please

Edited by rayy, 11 November 2010 - 06:38 AM.

[Kadelia]

You are an idiot. Also, stop rating your own posts with an alt account. It's pretty obvious.

Edited by Jaye, 11 November 2010 - 07:08 AM.

[rayy]

Why would I even waste my time rating my own posts? It's pretty obvious that you are retarded.

[Kadelia]

Almost every time you post you have exactly 1 rate on it within minutes of posting even if nobody else is participating in the thread. Either you're using an alt account to rate your posts or you have a brain-dead wingman. Either way you're being a douche that is trying too hard. Nothing you say is constructive, you only insult people who don't agree with you and provide absolutely no data or basis for any claims you make other than "lolol u fail @ ro if u disagree teehee go maek a betar character and lern 2 play". Nobody intelligent views your posts as worthwhile; faking approval ratings on your post isn't going to make people suddenly think you know what you are talking about.

Edited by Jaye, 11 November 2010 - 07:30 AM.

[rayy]

Sorry to break it to you; but crying about "lolol died to cart cannon from a 150 genetic stacked with god items when im level 110" is not constructive. The fact that you even mention someone rating my post must make you so angry, and that someone actually agrees with me, proving that you are in fact, a complete idiot. (Do rated posts even mean anything? LOL)

edit: just checked your ropd and saw that your highest level is 100, you don't even fit the criteria of the 110 dying to 150, and here you are posting about stuff you know nothing about

Edited by rayy, 11 November 2010 - 08:03 AM.

[Kitten]

I've run of of positive ratings for the day, by the way.

[Kadelia]

Sorry to break it to you; but crying about "lolol died to cart cannon from a 150 genetic stacked with god items when im level 110" is not constructive.

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I'll give you $100 if you can find a single post where I said I died to Cart Canon from a character 40 levels higher than me. I should have said a million since such a post doesn't exist. Do all of your arguments revolve around falsified info? Why am I even asking? Its obvious they do.

What, are you looking at my Ymir characters? I play Yggdrasil. Nice job, chief. I have not died to cart canon even once, but seeing the formula and the DPS it does in leveling and MVP, it is damn obvious the skill needs tweaking. You're just raging because you're a-_-. Follow your own advice and learn to play your own class effectively with its indirect combat skills like Crazy Weed and Howling Mandragora (etc), instead of QQing that you need an unbalanced skill like Cart Canon.

Its funny that this person (rayy) is also the same person defending Clashing Spiral killing characters 20-30 levels above a lord knight easily. You'd think his stance on what fights should be dominated by level difference wouldn't be so hypocritical.

Edited by Jaye, 11 November 2010 - 08:17 AM.

[rayy]

LOL, please find a post of me defending clashing spiral, I really hope you do find it. If anything, I would've said how clashing from a level 120 was able to one shot level 150s and how retarded that was. Anyways, since it's obvious that you know nothing about genetics aside from the things you read on forums (lol). I'm asking nicely for you to never post in this thread again. Thanks! Until you acquire some real experience against genetics in the WoE / MvP environment, your posts have no meaning.

edit: +1 this post if you think people who acquires all their information regarding a class on databases should not post (lol)

Edited by rayy, 11 November 2010 - 08:29 AM.