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[Valakas]

I did suggest that in the quote (read the spoiler). I honestly posted really quickly in an attempt to be the first response on this thread :3

 

I do not think they should come with NOTHING but lvl. But the two servers were not created equal, to come in with their zeny directly is unfair. If I farm for 2 hours on SEA server I am likely to make more zeny than I can get in 2 days on RO2 because the server simply has more zeny. It would completely crash our current economy.

 

And the issue is not that you can buy out the economy with real cash, the issue is that it's 1000$, I can name a dozen players who have spent more than that on RO2. The 1:666 exchange rate for KP to zeny is an indicator that inflation is much higher on SEA. If I have 7.75 hong kong dollars and that buys me a can of coke in Hong kong, do you not think it would be unfair to bring that over to USA and have it become 7.75 US dollars that will buy me almost 8 cans of coke? There needs to be an exchange rate if things are to be transferred at all. 

I agree and thats why I also mentioned Zeny Ration. In fact, this is what I mentioned somewhere above : - 


 I wonder how playpark's perk ended up here in WP's door step. Not that I don't welcome it but I too do not think WP should engage in this in a hasty manner. It seems this deal was done and discussed since some time ago but now we read from Maridah that they were only gonna discuss about "Damage Control" . Why was this not being thought carefully through in the first place?  
 

 

I was only disagreeing on your direct "No Zeny" part. The rest, I am somewhat okay with. 
 

[Tianciel]

yush and I was replying to her "Personal preference" with my own personal pov of why I thought she was not entirely correct with that mindset.


p.s thanks for hinting it was a she, i was thinking "he" in the beginning.  

<- like this emote? I was the one who proposed for this to be included in the forum. [ OT ] 

 

 

I have edited my post to clarify my POV. I believe SEA players should come with something, but they should not have an overwhelming advantage over ODIN players, this is after all, our server.

 

And if they do come penniless but with levels, isn't that more than you can expect? The SEA server closed down, the fact that they have an option to play the game elsewhere is a positive in and of itself. I do however think and equal merge would be better because it would act like simply multiplying the player base. The problem is how to equalize players from the two servers because they are so vastly different.

[100001851961468]

Their accts with nekkid  ML30/50 is good enuf! No more no less.

[TifaValentine]

Two totally different servers,different playerbase mindset, different/exclusive events w/prizes and completely different economy. We shouldn't be forced to struggle and adapt to them if they're merging with us. Our economy is already bad as it is now, but an impact of this magnitude would just deliver a fatal blow. Something has to be done about it, in a way it makes both us NA players and SEA players somewhat happy.

 

For the blueseeds: 

I understand those players may have worked hard on them, participated in events and win, etc. However people here has worked hard too, and only VERY few possess those runes. It wouldn't be fair, at all. If they're merging with us, perhaps instead of transferring their blue 50%s (or any of those obtained from events exclusive to SEA only) should be granted stacks of blueseeds so that they can replace the ones lost due to transfer. Might suck for them but... come on, a server merge never comes without consequences. Ever. And I've had previous experience on this.

 

For zeny:

Tianciel already made a very well written proposal for solution. WP simply needs to take it and adjust to what their database shows. We're not ranting just because. There's people here who don't even need to worry so much as they're quite rich already, but they still voice their concerns for the whole of our playerbase. The reasons were already explained. I know that not -all- of the SEA players are probably super rich or with 324252 blue 50s xD but point is, they're used to a completely different ingame market, and theyve profitted from it, and will be bringing that here... you can't expect it not to impact us in a severe way. 

Don't leave them zenyless, but at least apply a zeny conversion. They should still survive with decent zeny in here, its not like they're starting to play "from scratch" after all; theyre free to farm things and/or buy from kafra shop.

 

For items:

Unless its something that has been designed/implemented exclusively in SEA server, the rest should be fine to transfer. However, keep in mind that its been known the amount of duplicated items flowing around their market (both kp and nonkp items); you guys may wanna doublecheck that (ie, duped item IDs) before transferring anything. I know you, WP/GMs CAN check that, so don't fool me. Also keep in mind that theres items that may have been implemented in SEA, but got cancelled in NA (remember the infamous 99bomb? yeah... I dont want that here,kthx). Those shouldnt be transferred here at all.

 

 

We're using our time to voice our concerns and post feedback. Many of us are actually posting serious, proper feedback. I do hope you don't make us waste our time with this.

[Tianciel]

I agree and thats why I also mentioned Zeny Ration. In fact, this is what I mentioned somewhere above : - 


 I wonder how playpark's perk ended up here in WP's door step. Not that I don't welcome it but I too do not think WP should engage in this in a hasty manner. It seems this deal was done and discussed since some time ago but now we read from Maridah that they were only gonna discuss about "Damage Control" . Why was this not being thought carefully through in the first place?  
 

 

I was only disagreeing on your direct "No Zeny" part. The rest, I am somewhat okay with. 
 

 

Currency is almost never transferred in game merges. And it's not like you can't convert zeny to assets before the transfer (yay for the influx of pandora's mallets/Bwings/Guild book repair things). So if there is no currency transfer, perhaps some sort of zeny-sink event (like the Casino event) could be initiated again on SEA...

 

And the first line was supposed to be a summary of my post, not my overall POV, I just didn't summarize too well.

 

And I will reiterate that I still mean that ZENY SHOULD NOT BE TRANSFERRED DIRECTLY, I'm all for a conversion rate

Edited by Tianciel, 11 September 2014 - 09:14 AM.

[dalawadila]

I suggest take out zeny and OP seeds/gears/card..

Just give them some kind of Gift package.

Itll be very very very very unfair if they can come here having all their items.. esp for those PH players who do legits stuff to earn/get zeny..

And pls. Dont let them use their bugging skills here at Odin or else..

RIP kafra shop..

[Valakas]

Sorry I'm defensive :'( Shes my gf, but she can defend herself *steps aside *grabs popcorn *watches

No problem, I can understand that. All these concern of merge , we have our fair share of worries in Rose Online as well but we are lucky the plan got called off until next year. I also get it with ur defensiveness now that I know you and her are couples. My wife game with me too, in Rose Online. Come around sometimes, we'll give you a tour in Rose  


Anyway I am really excited to see this merge coming although I hope WP is absolutely ready to handle this collision professionally and fairly. I am one of those you may see soon from the SEA region, few days ago I started a topic in the Technical Section asking if I could start a new char here coz I knew there was a region restriction. Now that this is announced, i am somewhat relief . Hope to see you guys soon and honestly it is quite funny watching everyone's reaction here. At least we have something in common, we all love the game Don't be afraid though, we have our fair share of worries too you just dont understand it ( because of the language ) . Give it a chance though and give it some time. 

All the best  

[Vau]

Since you're having a meeting later today, with Gravity, here's my feedback.

 

 

You can't let SEA players come with nothing right?. We all know they got literally everything better than us, including :

 

1º Seeds

2º Pets

3º Cards

4º Money

 

 

1º

since this merging won't happen until about 1-2 months+- why don't you make some "gear" event to balance Odin server with SEA server.  Most of people complaining and whining about SEA players is the fact that they got the TOP seed runes on their gear, and not just 1 or 2 but the whole set. And at the same time it would be unfair for them, to come with nothing to ODIN, since SEA is an older server than NA, you just can't let them come with empty hands.

 

- Or you just plainly remove Seed runes off ML 1-30 gears and actually will make a balance between both servers and game.

- Or you balance NA players with top Seed runes and let them stand a chance against these "OP" runes that should've never existed in this game.

 

2º

We all know how strong pets are, specially when we talk about Dark Whisper grind, where everyone whines about how hard to grind it is if they don't have mermaids lvl 4 or high DoT pets. I don't know how SEA players could get lvl 4 five stars pets, which is impossible on NA, but if Zanbee asked on the VCR chat, "which pets(lvl 4) are most common for the NA community" then an event of lvl 4 pets is expected to be coming, and actually bringing some balance between SEA and NA players's pets.

 

3º

It's a fact that Epic cards make a huge difference in PvP/PvE gaming, specially the ones that gives Vigor/Penetration/Cast Speed, like Osiris and Anubis cards. If these SEA players got for example a +10 Osiris card (x5) that would just break all the cooldowns, specially on Assassins which they already proved to stack 2000 Vigor and get a very low cd on Shadow armor, which literally breaks the game. I would say, to don't let Epic cards to be refined at all, it just breaks the in-game cooldowns for all classes, some ppl will say honings, but a +10 Epic Osi card will give a ton s**ht of Vigor more than Honings.

 

4º

About Money, i'll just quote Yue's zeny ratio conversion, since it's pretty accurate and fair for SEA players which are coming to our server. Letting them come with 0 zeny wouldn't be an option since they are on an older server than us, but something must be done about it, or you'll make quit more than the 60% NA population cause of an economy inflation+time spent.

Spoiler

Simple, apply a conversion ratio as SEA players enter Odin server. Here, I'll even outline how it can be done!
Count the number of players on SEA who have been active in the past 3 months (let number of players = n)
Sum their zeny (let the sum = s)
Divide n by s (n/s=a, the average active player's zeny)
Compare "a of SEA" with "a of ODIN" (a_SEA / a_ODIN = r, the ratio)
Use this as an exchange rate (SEAZeny/r = ODINZeny)
If you really can't modify the SEA server player's zeny without dire repercussions worse than potentially losing all profit from current ODIN players... Simple apply a conversion ratio to OUR zeny. Multiply everything by 17 or by 100 or by whatever equilibrates the average player's zeny for players on both servers. (ODINZeny*r=NewODINZeny)

 

I didn't mention about costumes and it's 3 slots +10 runes, cause is not breaking  the game more than it already is. We just gotta deal with it.

 

Also, some players mention about SEA players being able to dupe items, if that's even possible on NA, you better take a look at it, or regardless all this discussion we're having, they will dupe any item/seed/DNA/money on NA and eventually "kick up a storm" again on forums. Put more active GM's in game, you don't know it, but there's a bunch of cheaters/botters in your game that will eventually increase with the SEA players merge.

 

And fix your old bugs more than rushing content like Morroc WoE/Guild Housing, those are not hot topics.

 

 

Edit : Typo.

 

Edited by Vau, 11 September 2014 - 09:18 AM.

[Tianciel]

And fix your old bugs more than rushing content like Morroc WoE/Guild Housing, those are not hot topics.

 

This seems to have been forgotten. Please please please do something about bugs, especially ones to do with lag. The player base will increase immensely, it is already difficult to play with current lag, I cannot imagine how bad it will be with more people to lag us out more. 

 

There is no good reason why 100 people cannot PVP without having 2 fps.

There is no good reason why I cannot walk properly in ch1 Morroc because of a couple dozen shops/people.

 

^And I understand that I have a -_-ty computer, but I never had this problem pre-AoV so I'm thinking it's not impossible to fix.

[jdmtouch]

Sea players spent time getting all their gears/seeds/cards etc, so they should be allowed to bring it all over. Why? People here farm, people in sea farm, people have seed 50s and op runes here and so do they. Sure they had more OP events but what's stopping NA from doing the same? The way I see it now, if our server was closing and our accounts were moving to sea, you wouldn't want all your hard earned stuff wiped out before your account moves over would you? And by hard earned I mean not macroing without being present in front of your computer aka botting or editing game files so the outcome of the items you get is a higher chance than it actually is. If you want it to be fair, everything on this server should be wiped and everyone should start from day 1 again with all their KP restored from when this server first opened.

Did any korean server players move here when their server shut down?

Edited by jdmtouch, 11 September 2014 - 09:31 AM.

[Tianciel]

 

In all honesty i think there should be an ENTIRE zeny and item wipe for both sides. And all kafra cash bought since day 1 be added back to everyones accounts thusly. Honestly this is the only way i can see it be fair on both sides.

 

 

 

Lol, sorry? So basically KP buyers get everything and ANY PLAYTIME YOU PUT INTO THE GAME IS WORTHLESS. You may as well reset the entire server, that is far more fair than only keeping KP items. Time is money, and things of worth should be treated equally, regardless of whether they were obtained through KP or zeny/farming.

[drew2012]

I havent recive any email from warpportal i cant merge my account yet... Just send me the email for the code so i can merge my account

[Bezelheim]

I know this is irrelevant but can't you guys understand that most SEA players got their items from pure farm? This isn't something like you can't just take the eldest sibling's computer just cos he's in his younger sibling's room, you know? I'm from SEA server and I find it extremely distressful reading about other peoples' feed backs just cos "we have almost everything better than you". You guys can't take them away from us. Wait for the announcement

[Tianciel]

Sea players spent time getting all their gears/seeds/cards etc, so they should be allowed to bring it all over. Why? People here farm, people in sea farm, people have seed 50s and op runes here and so do they. Sure they had more OP events but what's stopping NA from doing the same? The way I see it now, if our server was closing and our accounts were moving to sea, you wouldn't want all your hard earned stuff wiped out before your account moves over would you? And by hard earned I mean not macroing without about being present on your computer aka botting or editing game files so the outcome of the items you get is a higher chance than it actually is. If you want it to be fair, everything on this server should be wiped and everyone should start from day 1 again with all their KP restored from when this server first opened.

Did any korean server players move here when their server shut down?

 

Sure, don't let them come penniless. But if I can farm for an hour on SEA and get 100k zeny, yet will only get 10k for doing the exact same farming on ODIN, a direct transfer is unfair. If I charge 1$ cash on SEA server and can trade it for 67k zeny, yet can only trade it for 4k on ODIN, a direct transfer is unfair. If I can download SEA RO2 client and spend a week leveling and building up funds and then have more zeny than I've ever had on ODIN (and I've had a lot of zeny...), a direct transfer is unfair. The servers are not built the same, the inflation rate is simply different.

 

Just as the hong kong dollar is not the same as the american dollar. The SEA zenny is not the same as the ODIN zenny. It's very simple.

 

What isn't simple is the items. Some items are not really obtainable regardless of how much farming you do, one such item is Blue[50]. 

Edited by VolunteerMod11, 11 September 2014 - 09:53 AM.

[mikkan4ge]

best solution for this is two[2] SERVER which is Odin(NA)  & Vanir(SEA)

[LeviRD]

Remove, sorry RESET the SEA players zenny and items. We all know that they acquired that by "Farming" Botting and Duping.

Edited by LeviRD, 11 September 2014 - 09:39 AM.

[100001851961468]

I know this is irrelevant but can't you guys understand that most SEA players got their items from pure farm? This isn't something like you can't just take the eldest sibling's computer just cos he's in his younger sibling's room, you know? I'm from SEA server and I find it extremely distressful reading about other peoples' feed backs just cos "we have almost everything better than you". You guys can't take them away from us. Wait for the announcement

 You silly. Now you're telling us you can play any game and if any chance that game shuts down, you expect a sister server to adopt you and you can bring your treasure along??? I am fully aware both SEA and NA are under Gravitys management but its been  two different company from the beginning. I remember the time GMs shouting in game "youre from SEA, were sorry we cant accomodate you." What happen to this? Im not against Sea players moving to NA. I am against the things they can bring with them.

[Tianciel]

One more issue, the RNG rates for items is different on the two servers.

[Vau]

I know this is irrelevant but can't you guys understand that most SEA players got their items from pure farm? This isn't something like you can't just take the eldest sibling's computer just cos he's in his younger sibling's room, you know? I'm from SEA server and I find it extremely distressful reading about other peoples' feed backs just cos "we have almost everything better than you". You guys can't take them away from us. Wait for the announcement

 

Dude, i'm not proposing to nerf SEA players, in fact i want SEA players to come with their seeds if they can't be removed, but also, let NA players get them too, cause Gravity messed up the drop rate for Seed runes to hell. i'll just link you our retarded drop rates.

 

Blue Seed rune drop rate:

 

http://ro2.doskoi.org/item/22261100

 

Green Seed Shock:

 

http://ro2.doskoi.org/item/22261350

 

Green seed Power:

 

http://ro2.doskoi.org/item/22261300

 

Green seed Armor:

 

http://ro2.doskoi.org/item/22261500

 

But we need a balance, or your peeps will destroy us on PvP/PvE.

[5100130512201242360]

I know this is irrelevant but can't you guys understand that most SEA players got their items from pure farm? This isn't something like you can't just take the eldest sibling's computer just cos he's in his younger sibling's room, you know? I'm from SEA server and I find it extremely distressful reading about other peoples' feed backs just cos "we have almost everything better than you". You guys can't take them away from us. Wait for the announcement

 

if you worked so hard for your items there why did you leave? ohh right its because economy is broken there. and you know it.

[thokz]

its your server that is going to shutdown, adapt to what we have. we own this server. we have the right to let them know what/ what's not gonna harm our server, sea players should not fight with us, the fact that you will merge with us from a dying server, i think the best thing is just give them some kind of a compensation. no item,zeny transfer..., Ph base players come here with nothing on them.., sure u work hard on ur items. but the fact that your server is shutting down everything should comes with it, sea players are lucky that they provide you with this merge thing. WP dont kill your moneymaker... im drunk gonna sleep now.. zzzz

[Bezelheim]

if you worked so hard for your items there why did you leave? ohh right its because economy is broken there. and you know it.

 

I must commend you. Did I leave? No, even me doesn't want this. The economy in SEA isn't broken, as well. The game itself messed up because of Asiasoft's incompetence. Failure of management and poorly customer service, that's what happened. I've been playing RO2 since SEA opened so pretty much I know everything what the hell's going on in my game. Even me didn't want this to happen

[Bezelheim]

its your server that is going to shutdown, adapt to what we have. we own this server. we have the right to let them know what/ what's not gonna harm our server, sea players should not fight with us, the fact that you will merge with us from a dying server, i think the best thing is just give them some kind of a compensation. no item,zeny transfer..., Ph base players come here with nothing on them.., sure u work hard on ur items. but the fact that your server is shutting down everything should comes with it, sea players are lucky that they provide you with this merge thing. WP dont kill your moneymaker... im drunk gonna sleep now.. zzzz

 

Wait for the announcement

[jdmtouch]

You know how they are balancing classes right? They are buffing them all so everyone can 1 shot each other like warriors. So why take away seeds , just make events like what sea did so everyone can have super op seeds. You had your chances to take seeds away and get rid of that garbage honing system but you chose to keep them. There is no reason to remove them now, you reap what you sow.

Wait for the announcement

your signature man, what the hell LOL

Edited by jdmtouch, 11 September 2014 - 09:52 AM.

[100001851961468]

WP should act accordingly. They're aren't kiddos anymore. WP should deal with this as professional as much as they can. One bad move and half of population is gone. Either NA whose still supporting the game or SEA who i doubt will spent more money in this game (just in case they'll  bring their s**** in here, they will survive till the server last not spending any cents).