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#1 Emilizzard

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:46 PM

With Guild Housing being newly released, we want to start collecting feedback from the community. For basic information regarding Guild Housing, please read this article. In addition to that information, we also know the following:
  • The Greedy Mine dungeon is accessible from both Guild Vaults and Guild Houses.
  • The Greedy Mine dungeon is shared by all Guild Houses and all Guild Vaults. This means one dungeon for everybody.
  • Owners of Castles and Fortresses are able to buy lottery tickets, even though one guild cannot have both.
  • Your guild needs to be at least level 20 and have 1 or more points in the "Guild Storage" skill to enter the lottery.
  • The zeny to purchase lottery tickets comes from guild storage.
  • It costs 100 zeny to purchase a single lottery ticket.
  • You can purchase up to 255 lottery tickets at one time.
What are your thoughts on this?
 
EDIT: Much of this forum thread talks about selective lottery and being bumped or kicked out due to not being in the top 10. It seems this has been changed since then, as I can now see that my guild's rank and tickets are showing up even though we're lower than #10.

Edited by Emilizzard, 12 November 2014 - 08:49 PM.

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 09:03 PM

Someone explain to me how they got their current ideas for guild housing from our feedback here: http://forums.warppo...player-housing/
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#3 Emilizzard

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 09:15 PM

Someone explain to me how they got their current ideas for guild housing from our feedback here: http://forums.warppo...player-housing/


I'm sure you're not the only one who is wondering this. From what I understand of the situation, the Guild Housing system was so far in development at the time that they were unable to make such large changes while keeping the rest of the development on schedule.
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Posted 11 November 2014 - 12:36 AM

I'm sure you're not the only one who is wondering this. From what I understand of the situation, the Guild Housing system was so far in development at the time that they were unable to make such large changes while keeping the rest of the development on schedule.

 

Then what's the point of asking if they can't make changes?

 

And by the looks of it, it's not like the current system is more than two months worth of develpement for a small company.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 02:16 AM

Also, that feedback thread was posted MONTHS ago. Even with all the bug fixes they needed to do, they still had plenty of time to make changes for guild housing. If they really didn't have enough time, they could've pushed back the release for another week or something. If everyone that still play this game are patient enough to wait for the bug fixes/class balance that never seem to happen, we'll be patient enough to wait until the guild housing system has been honed to be fair and something that everyone can enjoy. I don't have much MMO background, but of all the MMOs that I have played, I have never heard of a lotto system when it comes to guild housing... It's called a guild house, not lotto house >.> Not to mention only 4 houses... when we probably have more than 100 guilds ... r u ok


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 02:30 AM

Hmm, the ITS probably doesn't have more than ten lvl 20 guilds to test this, but I've noticed that my guild has been bumped off the Top 10 and I have been put back in the "You have not participated" status again. So not only is this RNG, but is it safe to assume that it only allows Top 10 paying guilds to be raffled only? Would love an official answer for this *cough cough insert Njoror*

Ridiculous if they think this is what people want. And since the entire fortune will go back to the guild winners, this is in no way a zeny sink. I said it in the thread I started and I'll say it again: More content that 99% of the community will never see.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:22 AM

Then what's the point of asking if they can't make changes?

 

And by the looks of it, it's not like the current system is more than two months worth of develpement for a small company.

It's not that they can't, but more that they didn't want to at the time. They may be more interested in the feedback after the fact, but we'll see.

 

 

Ridiculous if they think this is what people want. And since the entire fortune will go back to the guild winners, this is in no way a zeny sink.

Not the entire fortune, it's 10%, but I understand your point.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:45 AM

It's not that they can't, but more that they didn't want to at the time. They may be more interested in the feedback after the fact, but we'll see.

 

Then there's no forgiving. Not being able to do something is excusable. Not wanting to isn't.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:47 AM

... I've noticed that my guild has been bumped off the Top 10 and I have been put back in the "You have not participated" status again. So not only is this RNG, but is it safe to assume that it only allows Top 10 paying guilds to be raffled only? ...

 

I was interested in your comment earlier, but wasn't at the right computer to check. So now that I have... it seems you're right. In addition, I would like to add that there's no refund for being bumped from the list.

 

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Even though I'm the one who posted this thread, I still have many questions about the system and many more concerns with it.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:50 AM

So let's see, for now we have:

1.You can buy tickets even if you aren't eligible to winning the prize and nothing will warn you about it.

2.You'll be kicked out of the raffle with no compensation.

 

So on top of more RNG abuse, it's also straightout a scam? Scamming players into spending something that they can't get.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:19 AM

Is there a way to find out for sure if you're not in the top 15....I mean top "20" (10 for prontera and 10 for morroc) then you are unable to participate in the raffle?


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:22 AM

Is there a way to find out for sure if you're not in the top 15....I mean top "20" (10 for prontera and 10 for morroc) then you are unable to participate in the raffle?

 

The Guild Housing NPC has this menu available, which shows the top 10 for each house:

 

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:22 AM

~.~

 

^^And this is why they should've done more testing before rushing release. They did that twitch thing not knowing anything about the system, and then a week or so later they release it. tumblr_inline_mzx91hbig71r8msi5.gif

Every new content, we ask them not to release rush content, and they do so anyway. smh. 

 

Also please explain how the ranking thingamajig works. Because if it's a lottery, what's the point of the ranking? Does it just show which guild is the richest in the game? lmao 


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:25 AM

It is indeed a SCAM! EvenLottery does not kick you off the raffle just because some other people has higher bid. And what?!?! NO REFUND?!?!? What is this?!? They would rather have named it GUILD HOUSE AUCTION then.

Although our Guild is above level 20, but I can say that this system is totally UNFAIR for most guilds. How will we be able to compete against this already RICH Guilds?!? It seems like HIGH SOCIETY vs the MASSES in an online game. geeesh...
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Posted 11 November 2014 - 05:31 AM

The Guild Housing NPC has this menu available, which shows the top 10 for each house:

 

 

 

Yes, I can see that too. I just want to confirm that only those 10 are able to participate in the raffle, and not simply a ranking for the top 10 that spent the most. 


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 07:06 AM

Hello,

when I click on "Current State" or "Lottery List" in Kafra Chen NPC, it just closes the window. Why?


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 07:18 AM

This is a travesty to every guild in RO2.  Not even close to any of the suggestions provided by us when we were asked what our ideas were.  And frankly, I should have expected just as much.  So much for real expectations met by real long term content.


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 07:30 AM

Honestly this should have been called Lottery House not guild housing.

Why is every aspect of this game based purely on RNG? Is there no end for more randomness? Like wtf seriously? This game is like a casino, but worse coz the house always wins and you get nothing.

Every guild wants a house, not a damn CHANCE to get a house! Other MMORPGs that ive played with the same guild house system NEVER had a lottery to get one temporary. How far are you guys gonna push and scare everyone away?!
Well to hell i dont care about guild housing honestly i just want class balance and fixes, but NO seems devs or whoever calls the shots prefer new content that NO ONE has asked for. Like always.

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 08:52 AM

The Guild Housing NPC has this menu available, which shows the top 10 for each house:

 

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I thought if you own a castle/fort you can't have guild housing...  I see Collision and Resistance on the list above >.>  So basically the game just let these two guilds throws money away without any kind of notification to them? Any plans for refunding/compensating these guilds??? :/
 


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:53 AM

The housing system is connected to the guild vaults of the castle/fort holders. This gives early access to these guilds while it wasn't even stated anywhere that they get to participate in the Greedy Mine adventure.

 

As a member of a guild who owns a Fort, I've been lucky to be inside the mine to see what is inside. The mobs are not impressive, and the bosses have no mechanics still, so please don't get your hopes up if you miss PVE content. The general Tank & Spank strategy works super well. Your DPS is reduced if you are a pet user because you may not use pets on this map. The bosses still have millions of HP, and are still plagued by the horrific drop rate of Assassin's Sanctum, Silent Corridor, and Himmelmez Chamber.

 

Rewards for killing bosses are really not worth the time to camp and kill. I am not sure what purpose giving us Victory Point 1 as a reward for killing a boss in this dungeon. You also get the purple chest that contains level 50 Buff/Recovery pots and if you are super lucky a single Ygg Leaf. Even having more than one channel to kill bosses does not improve the drop rate. I still have yet to see a honing oil, or anything above a Basilisk Green drop.

 

What I would like to understand from the Devs, is why do they think that there should just be one channel for this because the bosses have a 2.5 hour re-spawn time. The bosses will be heavily camped by larger guilds who have managed to take a fortress. Currently there are 6 guilds in Odin that have access to the Greedy Mine. After the 15th 2 or 3 guilds might also join the frenzy in the greedy mine. This is going to be a tight situation once all 20 guild houses have been integrated into the game.

 

Lets not forget the map is OPEN pvp. The smaller guilds who are trying to kill a boss runs into a larger unfriendly guild their hard work at trying to kill a boss will be erased. That is one classy element of surprise!

 

Here are some more questions:

If you have a guild house, but take a Fort/Castle in WoE do you lose your house?

Will there be more official channels added for Greedy Mine?

Is the drop rate the same for AS/SC/HC?

 

Also discovered that when you die in Greedy Mine you spawn in Prontera. That is great for guilds who have the option to "warp" to their guild house from the guild menu. If you are a castle or fort holder to gain entrance you have to go back to your fort/castle via a WoE warp. This is extra troublesome for guilds who own forts in Morroc because in order to get back to fighting you have to warp several maps to even get back inside Greedy Mine


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:54 AM

I thought if you own a castle/fort you can't have guild housing...  I see Collision and Resistance on the list above >.>  So basically the game just let these two guilds throws money away without any kind of notification to them? Any plans for refunding/compensating these guilds??? :/
 

Well maybe but it was said multiple times that you cant own both a house and a castle. So tuff luck and #wrked if they don't get their money back XD


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 09:54 AM

I thought if you own a castle/fort you can't have guild housing... I see Collision and Resistance on the list above >.> So basically the game just let these two guilds throws money away without any kind of notification to them? Any plans for refunding/compensating these guilds??? :/

it wasn't in the main patch notes, we all knew it when the server was online for like 30-40 mins already and everyone throw zenny to it lol
so yeah...GG
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Posted 11 November 2014 - 10:22 AM

This guild house system is the guild cape event all over again. Except this is permanent.

Oh, joy.
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Posted 11 November 2014 - 11:11 AM

The Guild Housing NPC has this menu available, which shows the top 10 for each house:

 

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I didn't understand this "Top 10"... Isn't the guild house supposed to be a lottery between all guilds who buy tickets? 
"Top 10" make me think more about an auction, not a lottery


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Posted 11 November 2014 - 11:17 AM

Hello,

when I click on "Current State" or "Lottery List" in Kafra Chen NPC, it just closes the window. Why?

I'm having the same problem! Can we not enter because the list is already full? I'm confused  :Emo_17: 


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