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[Kusanagisama]

We were talking about PVM. Also, water ball is way stronger than Tetra right now, in terms of total damage. If I can deal 600~700K Tetra, I can also dean 1M+ Water Balls... against Yanku, who is not fire property.

[mlmf]

Oh sorry, im always under the assumption players go to woe as endgame and didnt fully read the original post.

Im wondering how you deal with constant lack of water. You have deluge with the set but doesnt its cells disappear when waterball is used. And there arent many maps that have water to utilize.

For mvps i was thinking storing waterball 5 times so do waterball, then releaae, then release, then release, then release, and finally release! XD

Also i fould like to see someome use waterball in woe sometime. If its as strong as you say it is then i should soon be seeing it.

[Ashuckel]

erxcept deluge is disabled on all castles

[mlmf]

erxcept deluge is disabled on all castles

I played woe last monday in thor server and i couldve sworn someone used deluge.

[Kisats05]

Nah it isn't even working on WoE. Maybe Whirlwind?

[mlmf]

It might be. But why would whirlwind work but its water counterpart not? Guess waterball sets wont be coming for a while

[Ashuckel]

Because deluge used to bug emperiums of econ'ed castle(reducing it's HP dramatically), so they disabled the skill entirelly while waiting on a fix. And still waiting, dunno how many years has been :v

Edited by Ashuckel, 05 April 2017 - 07:51 PM.

[WhiteHerb]

wow ! so many replies while i was gone ! thanks guys for your opinions.

 

I am still in process of deciding what i should play while i lvl up my mage =P 

 

Never been so taugh to choose =D

[Casval17]

play both, they got similar gear after all

[kubikyuu]

How about:
Make both, level them until ~110 so you can get a feel for their playstyle.

Then descide on whether you want to only play one or both of them.

Pro: Quite a few gears can be shared between those classes.

Doing so will not provide best results, but works just fine as far as Turn Ins are concerned.

You'll mostly want to grab a Skull Cap + Thorn Staff of Darkness combo or Celine's Ribbon instead of an Ordinary Black Mage Hat, so both characters can use it.

[Gabrielr04]

What Kubi said it's true, my first char to max was my WL and then i created a Sorc, the good thing is that all the gears from my WL could be used on Sorc so didn't had to spend a single zeny more to play it, and since they were pretty decent gears my Sorc was able to have a good time while soloing, good thing about Sorcs as Ash said is that you can make a even better use of Kaahi with them, for my first lvls at NCT (150+) Kaahi was a must since I don't have DR and thanks to that i barely used pots, to be honest from my point of view you should try both. They're a really fun pair of classes to use

Edited by Gabrielr04, 06 April 2017 - 01:47 AM.

[WhiteHerb]

ohhh i seee i never thought abt making both ahahaha thanks guys =P

[WhiteHerb]

i got a question;

 

in terms of solo-ability, which class (warlock or sorc) has more advantage on elements?

 

ie,. which class can deal with more different elements? 

[Sewasan]

Both can deal fairly well on The 4 básic elements, difference is that wl had the Upper Hand on ghost monsters, while sorc has better dmg against shadow, holy monster because p.wave is neutral. Pvm sorc i think is easier yo start rather than pvm wl (Imo).

[kubikyuu]

Basically what Sewasan said for elements.

However WL can try to freeze (the "monster is a block of ice and can't do anything" freeze) monsters, changing their element to Water 1 for the duration of the freeze.

Doing so with Holy/Shadow monsters allows to follow up with another spell (usually Chain Lightning or Crimson Rock) that deals more damage to Water 1 than to Holy/Shadow.

You could also get Comet, but this spell uses a ton of SP, needs 2 Red Gemstones per cast and isn't really very useful for leveling/instances once you leave mid TI.

[Gabrielr04]

For soloing it could depend a lot, for example a 120 WL with a NAM Card could easily 1 shot scarabas till 150 and then go to NCT for 3-2 shots Big Bells with CR.
Sorcs can also solo pretty good in TI maps thanks to their AoEs since WL's are a bit more restringed by using mostly CR to kill.

[WhiteHerb]

i see.

 

So both classes can deal with 4 basic elements...

 

[WhiteHerb]

lvling up as mage is such pain in the ass lol 

[kubikyuu]

You can either look for passive monsters and oneshot them with your basic bolts (ex.: Mandragora, Thara Frog, Grove, Stapo),

or pull monsters into a Firewall and then AoE them (ex.: Orcs, Clock Tower mobs, Roween) with Fireball or Thunderstorm or Heaven's Drive once you are second class.

 

I personally use this route for my mages:

Mandragora -> Poison Spores -> Orcs (field ones, since the ones inside the dungeon are Undead and just eat your Firewall) -> Groves -> Stalactic Golems and/or Maneater Blossoms -> Goats and/or Clock Tower Eden Quests -> low TI

[WhiteHerb]

ahhh i should try fireballing the orcs... pitty its not on spotlight anymore...

 

 

eden gears help a lot lol

[WhiteHerb]

oh, and i have decided to go with sorcerer =( sorryyyyy 

 

warlock does have a lot to offer but i am just feeling towards sorcerer for some reason ! 

 

 

I guess i will see how it goes ...

[Kusanagisama]

Good luck leveling your sage. XD

[WhiteHerb]

lol i guess i will have to go as agi 99 int 99 sage lol

[Gabrielr04]

Yeah, lvling to become a Sorc is usually a pain xD.
My route everytime i make a mage is Spores>Orcs>Varied Eden Bounty Boards and then mostly TI.

[WhiteHerb]

btw, can either warlock or sorc do solo ET ?