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#26 DieNasty

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 04:58 PM

Ever since the release of Rock Ridge a certain shuckle intrigued me with an Auto Cast Sorcerer using the Elemental Set.

 

Though my build to this day only ever kept the armor from this set, the entire concept was fun to play with.

 

Now there are two ways to really achieve this build. The cheaper and sustainable way is to use the CD in Mouth as the primary catalyst.

 

 

However, with the release of the most recent OCP you have the option to ditch the CD in Mouth and go for the Lunar Rainbow instead.

 

 

Now as far as I am concerned, both have their pros and cons, but at the end of the day the Lunar Rainbow wins by a country mile.

 

The CD in Mouth build is cheap as -_-, and the core pieces of gear are honestly the Magical Rings + Magician's Nightcap + CD in Mouth, everything else was to give extra assistance to achieving more DPS or ASPD without the need for multiple buffs. This build purely focused on bolt damage and honestly could pull over 100,000 dps easily on most mobs since it always proc'ed in HUGE burst when coupled with Double Bolt (this pretty much makes it just continue forever).

 

If you have a linker, you can also add Hindsight to increase the damage by a -_- LOAD, I would recommend Lightning Bolt seeing as you can get a lot of extra damage from that, but if you have a highly upgraded NAM garment on hand Fire Bolt also does well.

 

The biggest pros about the CD in Mouth build was the Nightcap would provide 5 solid ASPD, which meant you could EASILY swap between the four summons to suit your target. You could also use w/e shield you wanted, so you could roll something like a Valk shield for more defense or a Platinum Shield for some nice mitigation as well. The biggest con was damage. I rolled a +15 Crimson Rod to make up for the MATK loss of the Mob Scarf, since it gave quite a bit onto itself and it gives 1 more ASPD over using something like a dagger. I personally never used books, they are -_- and there isn't a book in the game that is truly worth the time. Elemental Origin had promise, but the Elemental Cape doesn't have a slot, so you lose NAM, which means your fire damage drops it like its hot. Which sucks because the best bit about the full Elemental Set was the 5% chance to cast a maximum level Fire Ball when using physical OR magical attacks. If it had a slot, then yes, the game changes like no one's business.

 

With the Lunar Rainbow, obviously you can use not only the Mob Scarf, but you can also technically still use a Crimson Rod as well, however there is a reason why I am not. Personally, even though Crimson Rod will give well over 280 more MATK, at the end of the day it only has two card slots, and what makes an auto cast sorc shine is spamming as many magical attacks at any one time, and if you can only use half of the Lunar Rainbow's set bonus, that is a huge drop in casts. Though if you were to use a Crimson Rod, Fire+Wind and Water+Earth would be the combo I would go with. Sadly, because a mob scarf is too good not to use with the Lunar Rainbow, it means you have to drop Hero Mask and find some reflect elsewhere (because reflect is amazing and almost as important as 7 hits per second). This means Mad Bunny Season. For me personally as well, since I was losing the Crimson Rod in favour of casting all four types of magic, I also lost ASPD from my FAW, since I wanted to recover as much magical attack as possible, so I had to settle for an unslotted Mad Bunny Shield for the extra 3 ASPD, so that I could get the most magic attack as possible. I would have kept the FAW at a max ASPD roll, if it would help, but honestly losing the 5 solid ASPD from Magician's Nightcap hurts, and even a Ventus summon will only even the odds. And you lose 1 ASPD versus a one handed staff when using a dagger.

 

Essentially, the whole point is that you have to give and take if you want to keep up ASPD versus DAMAGE versus PROC CHANCE. It's a game of balance, and it is very fun, though a little expensive.

 

Luckily, by not having any ASPD on my accessories, this lets me swap them to whatever I want whenever I want. Magical Rings are almost always the best in slot, ESG is good for huge mobs but otherwise stupid as -_-, Magician's Glove is great if your targets have more than 40% damage reduction versus magic (anything less is pointless reduce since you are pounding them with frequently well powered attacks and the overall reduction isn't worth fighting for), and if your target hates fire? Use an Alchemy Glove. That -_- is amazing, increases fire damage, has a 5% chance to cast a level 5 Fire Ball when dealing physical or magical attacks. You can't go wrong.

 

The only minor issue I have is that sometimes it can be hard to hit certain mobs, and if you don't hit them you don't auto cast. Luckily with things like VIP Buffs, Green Trans Candy, Military Rashion B and +20 DEX/LUK Food, you can add a good 76 HIT at any given time.

 

But yeah, I hope some people love auto cast sorc as much as I do, can't wait to max level the -_- for the full mob scarf/magical ring bonus.

 

-Mike

 

I'd love to see some MVP videos.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:29 PM

I'd love to see some MVP videos.

 

I might try to do some, only level 168 though (and not planning to properly level again anytime soon due to the weekend DDOS attacks), however I did a respec so I could at least for the short term take full advantage of the Mob Scarf.

 

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I tried doing Osiris, but I found him rather difficult. When I was hitting him, all was well, damage was great, can't honestly complain; however, when he used AGI up, -_- hit the fan. It would make sense to dispel but it just wasn't working due to the massive number of auto cast lined up.

 

If a monster ONLY uses AGI up, I can simply stop, clear the mobs and dispell. However, if they couple with berserk like Osiris does it can make for a very very difficult encounter. I thought about dropping DEX to a super low amount and putting about 90 points in LUK, then using LD boots with abrasives etc in order to give myself the ability to consistently hit, however it comes with cons. Expensive re-building cons.

 

I could drop the mob scarf combo in favour of hero mask, then use anything for my lower headgear (maybe bring back the old CD in Mouth for more bolt procs), or use a slotted Mad Bunny Shield with a Alice Card for some extra defense against berserk state. However this means I would be forced to use Ventus for the ASPD, which also means she is an easy target for an MVP to kill and then I would lose my ASPD.

 

Another way to solve this would be to add a Valkyrie Card to the knife, drop an element (most likely Earth) so that dispel can be added to the auto cast (which is a true pain in my ass considering the fact that sorcs HAVE DISPELL).

 

I could also do away with the reflecting portion all together, but that would take away more LD proc chance which is important.

 

I suppose if I have the Alice MBS, I could then focus on using cancel cast so I could Dispel the MVP while being relatively protected.

 

I don't think this is a unsolvable problem, but I would be all for some suggestions from other auto cast players here :U


Edited by Nirvanna21, 29 August 2017 - 12:56 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:41 AM

stop attacking>dispel>attack :v
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:49 AM

stop attacking>dispel>attack :v

 

More like, Stop attacking->auto attacks proc'ed from other methods->stillcan'tdispell->teleport->dispell->attack.

 

I even tried guarana candy to straight out cancel attack, but reflect is a double-edged sword.

 

Get on TS Ash :X

 

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Here was one of my latest attempts, I wish I had thought of Guarana Candy before trying this, but next time I will be well prepared. AGI UP MVPs are just annoying, and I would rather keep damage and zeny by avoiding a respect where I invest into LD and base CRIT (though I could easily achieve 50% chance to crit with 80 LUK and no buffs).

 


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 02:23 AM

you know what i do when i need to rebuff on my reflect autocasts characters, i take out the reflect gear :X

i mean, it's a bit more work than what i'd like to, but it is what it is.
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:54 AM

Use Spell Fist, it won't miss. But then again, you need to cancel your auto :x.

I am now have semi crit Hindsight/Spell Fist build. Having DEX as one of main stat facing same problem, missed on high flee/AGI UP MVP. With 60 LUK I able to hit Nightmare Mimic, but I still prefer use Spell Fist to dispose them.

For reflect, I think it's better used as situational, eg when mobbing. Ugh, I wish there's another shield that provides ASPD while freeing accessory slot
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:02 AM

you know what i do when i need to rebuff on my reflect autocasts characters, i take out the reflect gear :X

i mean, it's a bit more work than what i'd like to, but it is what it is.

 

So you gotta swap your shield, use Guarana Candy to cancel your casts, just so you can dispell a rather unforgiving mechanic. I think it may very well be more viable contemplating critical hits, but I will test out a few things before I opt for that.


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 05:45 AM

So you gotta swap your shield, use Guarana Candy to cancel your casts, just so you can dispell a rather unforgiving mechanic. I think it may very well be more viable contemplating critical hits, but I will test out a few things before I opt for that.

 

Why dont you carry dispell weapon you could swap to?
From what I know autocast doesnt prevent swapping weapon


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 05:56 AM

Valk carded weapon is more costly than respecing into crit :v


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:06 AM

Valk carded weapon is more costly than respecing into crit :v

 

Well, he mentioned carding valk into autoproc weapon  
putting it in a dedicated swap at least allows to resale ;p
 


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:07 AM

Does the dispel from valk proc even when missed?
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:15 AM

probably not autocast normally need successful hits better to just respec to crit  build


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:22 AM

only hindsight works on misses (and future update to shadow spell). Any gear related cast proc requires a successfull hit of the proccing condition for it to activate.
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:26 AM

Its not that hard to get crit especially if using mob scarf+valkyrie knife tho you prob wont be able to get the max matk out of the mob scarf sacrifices need to be made  :heh:


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:50 PM

Yeah, I would lose about 180 MATK by respec'ing, and I would still need lucky day to proc. I will work something out I guess, because a Valk Carded item would be pointless, seeing as I still need to hit to dispell.


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 02:55 PM

i still find the 3s downtime of manually dispelling more appealing :v


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:33 PM

i still find the 3s downtime of manually dispelling more appealing :v

 

I am thinking that I just use a valk shield so no reflect then use a guarana candy to cancel. Use the mad bunny shield for other scenarios.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:30 PM

Mike, what card do you put on your Lunar Rainbow? I am thinking elemental cards like Lichtern or Tikbalang is a waste. Any recommendations?
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Posted 30 August 2017 - 05:42 PM

Mike, what card do you put on your Lunar Rainbow? I am thinking elemental cards like Lichtern or Tikbalang is a waste. Any recommendations?

 

I have nothing in mine, and will probably never put anything in it. There really isn't a card worth putting in it. I suppose if you were mega rich and had a spare True Fenrir Card in it, you could argue that it would be a nice boost in MATK, but overall I wouldn't bother personally.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:00 PM

mutant coelacanth :v
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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:07 PM

mutant coelacanth :v

 

Only 7% MATK :U


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 07:03 PM

all purpose bonus, comparable to lichtern cards boost due to lack of matk% on the rest of gears in general (has element dmg% already), and actually almost as good as a true fenrir in terms of dmg :v
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:25 PM

I think it is best to simply dispell, however I am going to do something else as well.

 

I am gonna purchase a couple of La'Cryma Sticks, at +10, and try them with Pororoca Shoes and see if it is better than the Valkyrie Knife.

 

Even if a monster has 20 MDEF, that is a 15% overall damage boost. You essentially get back any MATK missing via the Temp Int Shoes and Valkyrie Knife, since it has a higher base MATK rate, and being a rod, it has 1 more aspd more than a dagger so you can easily regain the 1 missing aspd by simply using your Ventus. I will lose RM but that is a minor thing, because even though the damage is awesome, it drains your SP like nobodies business.

 

The only real issue will be how often will the auto attacks proc with only being able to use 2 cards at any one time. At least I know that using Fire+Wind and Water+Earth will be the way to go.

 

I will test this out later, I might even add auto cast sorc to the damage calculator.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:57 PM

I think it is best to simply dispell, however I am going to do something else as well.

 

I am gonna purchase a couple of La'Cryma Sticks, at +10, and try them with Pororoca Shoes and see if it is better than the Valkyrie Knife.

 

Even if a monster has 20 MDEF, that is a 15% overall damage boost. You essentially get back any MATK missing via the Temp Int Shoes and Valkyrie Knife, since it has a higher base MATK rate, and being a rod, it has 1 more aspd more than a dagger so you can easily regain the 1 missing aspd by simply using your Ventus. I will lose RM but that is a minor thing, because even though the damage is awesome, it drains your SP like nobodies business.

 

The only real issue will be how often will the auto attacks proc with only being able to use 2 cards at any one time. At least I know that using Fire+Wind and Water+Earth will be the way to go.

 

I will test this out later, I might even add auto cast sorc to the damage calculator.

water+wind too! nova works perfectly with TS and LB for non-boss mobs... Is earth really a good choice even if it doesn't benefit double bolt?

as for the proc, i am using elembook[2] and the proc is still very good coz of double bolt (no earth though)

 

EDIT: lacryma doesnt pierce mdef with sorc, not sure if i'm misquoting you though


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

water+wind too! nova works perfectly with TS and LB for non-boss mobs... Is earth really a good choice even if it doesn't benefit double bolt?

as for the proc, i am using elembook[2] and the proc is still very good coz of double bolt (no earth though)

 

EDIT: lacryma doesnt pierce mdef with sorc, not sure if i'm misquoting you though

 

-_-, yeah, Frost Diver and Frost Nova derping in the head :X Ripppp.

 

But it still could be worthwhile simply because of the 40% increased water damage.

 

And honestly, Fire+Wind, Wind+Water, Water+Fire could be a better way to go.


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