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#51 Ashuckel

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:05 PM

dont think its all that too worth to use the combo outside of Water spells casts. You dont get the mdef bypass beneft from Ice Nova, so its only raw matk and a huge water magic boost.
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:08 PM

dont think its all that too worth to use the combo outside of Water spells casts. You dont get the mdef bypass beneft from Ice Nova, so its only raw matk and a huge water magic boost.

 

Fair enough, I am sure there will be some neat ways of optimising this build. If we had a 3 slotted one-handed stave, -_- would hit the fan. I guess I could still invest into some Crimson Rods if I wanted a super boost to MATK but EH.

 

Or you know, 3x elements + Infinite Phreeoni kek.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:14 PM

offtopic:

 

Does Cd in mouth still count as 1 physical attack up to now?


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:16 PM

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:20 PM

offtopic:

 

Does Cd in mouth still count as 1 physical attack up to now?

 

I think it works like so,
 

Each physical attack = 1 auto cast chance if physically proc'ed

 

Each magical attack = 1 auto cast chance if magically proc'ed

This would mean up to 2 casts per physical attack, not including Meteor Storm (which each meteor counts as an individual magical attack).

 

You could argue that means magical attacks could proc indefinitely, but I don't think this is the case.

 

CD in Mouth also has it's level casted randomised, so if you have a +10 Rainbow, using a CD in Mouth is almost a sure way to screw yourself. However because CD in Mouth has 4 proc methods, who knows? It could mean that it can proc up to 8 times or more in a single attack which could outdo a level 10 bolt.

 

no

 

You really don't want me to touch that crit do ya xD


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:40 PM

not sure why you are saying that using both would screw the user, they work together since they have different triggering conditions and mechanic


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:42 PM

not sure why you are saying that using both would screw the user, they work together since they have different triggering conditions and mechanic

 

Because only 1 physical cast can go off, if the cd procs physical and so does the hat, the cd will have a greater chance to take priority. That means instead of a Level 10 skill, you will have a random level 1 ~ 5 skill going off instead. It's a conflict and CD will take the lead between the two.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:59 PM

oh so that's what you mean, anyway let's request for a  3/4 slotted rod from jRO!


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:15 PM

 

 

You really don't want me to touch that crit do ya xD

wasnt for u but it's still the case :v

gdi it takes 3 seconds and some 2 fingers to not spend billions and have a less effective build :v


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:42 PM

Because only 1 physical cast can go off, if the cd procs physical and so does the hat, the cd will have a greater chance to take priority. That means instead of a Level 10 skill, you will have a random level 1 ~ 5 skill going off instead. It's a conflict and CD will take the lead between the two.

Okay, just did some test but CD + Lunar procs can trigger at the same time same hit

 

EDIT: just to be clear, it's bolts from CD + thunderstorm in 1 hit, bolt + heavens drive in 1 hit, soulstrike + heavens drive in 1 hit


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:46 PM

but why would you want lower lvl bolts going off when you can have max lvl?


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:56 PM

but why would you want lower lvl bolts going off when you can have max lvl?

The assumption was

 

-Lunar and CD cant proc together in 1 hit but

-CD can proc all skill it has in 1 hit

 

but if i'm testing it correctly and they can trigger in 1 hit, 

 

-Lunar + other normal autocast gear cant proc multiple skills/together in 1 hit

-Lunar + CD can proc together, meaning it is possible to cast 1 lunar skill + 1 to 4 CD skills in 1 hit


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:56 PM

but why would you want lower lvl bolts going off when you can have max lvl?

 

If both can proc from a single hit, then it is more damage.

 

Now as to what is better, CD in Mouth versus Mob Scarf, THAT is tricky.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:01 PM

If both can proc from a single hit, then it is more damage.

 

Now as to what is better, CD in Mouth versus Mob Scarf, THAT is tricky.

all that's left is the hindsight, but surely it with proc with both since it's not triggered on a hit


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:03 PM

The assumption was

 

-Lunar and CD cant proc together in 1 hit but

-CD can proc all skill it has in 1 hit

 

but if i'm testing it correctly and they can trigger in 1 hit, 

 

-Lunar + other normal autocast gear cant proc multiple skills/together in 1 hit

-Lunar + CD can proc together, meaning it is possible to cast 1 lunar skill + 1 to 4 CD skills in 1 hit

 

 

If both can proc from a single hit, then it is more damage.

 

Now as to what is better, CD in Mouth versus Mob Scarf, THAT is tricky.

 

ahhh you sure they procing together?


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:09 PM

ahhh you sure they procing together?

IF you dont trust me, You can test it yourself, just make sure you hit twice since...

 

-The first proc for CD doesn't give off an skill, just a light or something that notes that after the next hit  few seconds you will be casting CD skills

-In that first CD proc, you can proc other autocast skills but dont confuse it for the CD bolts

-After the first CD proc, the real test starts.. try and try until you trigger nova + CDskills, HD + CDskills, TS+ CD skills in 1 hit

 

It should be easy to do and notice


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:19 PM

im interested but no spare zeny for testing would be cool if they do proc together tho  :rice:


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:20 PM

  aa


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:21 PM

autocast can proc together at the same attack, the only issue is of same skills from different sources activating on the same condition. If there's no overlaps, you can put in how many skills you want.

Just try to not crash the server, there's a limit to how much skills it can trigger at a single instance without making the server poop :v

@edit: hindsight and autoshadow spell do not follow this rule, and can activate with the same spell coming from an autocast.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 06:23 PM

autocast can proc together at the same attack, the only issue is of same skills from different sources. If there's no overlaps, you can put in how many skills you want.

Just try to not crash the server, there's a limit to how much skills it can trigger at a single instance without making the server poop :v

okay thanks, was just wondering just now how my nova/+TS/+HD was procing at the same time, good thing I wasn't imagining


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:32 AM

I have a question about Lunar Rainbow

 

auto cast Waterball from Lunar Raibow + Ring of ancient wise king still need deluge or water to proc it or not ? can you test it ?

 

thank you ...


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:37 AM

yes
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:20 PM

Has anyone tried in sakray putting some immortal wind ghost + stefan card combo with this cd autocast hype?
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 02:27 AM

Has anyone tried in sakray putting some immortal wind ghost + stefan card combo with this cd autocast hype?

 

To be completely honest, using a Stephan card would be a waste. However IWG Card would be amazeballs.


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:52 PM

https://forums.warpp...in-mouth-combo/

 

This guy is swearing black and blue that the CD does not combo with the Lunar Rainbow. I will test sometime today as to what is going on.


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