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#26 AceDT

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 03:55 PM

This is good feedback, if everyone posts their feedback in this thread and I will forward it up. Unfortunately the WPE price is set by those above me and I am not really involved in the process but I can at very least make sure the feedback gets seen.

please consider this too in Thor Server. majority from us is playing from SEA. 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 03:59 PM

An American needs to work 13,79 hours to buy 10k WPE
Now a Brazilian needs to work 110,41 hours to buy 10k WPE

 

I'm so frustrated

 

I think the real question here would be how many of those 10k WPE do you buy per months? 

 

If buying 10k WPE is too expensive then why not lower the amount of WPE that you buy?


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#28 matadilma

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:14 PM

I think the real question here would be how many of those 10k WPE do you buy per months? 

 

If buying 10k WPE is too expensive then why not lower the amount of WPE that you buy?

You literally didnt understand whats the point here dude.

 

Its not about buy 10k WPE, I never bought 10k WPE

 

The point is how expesive the new price is to brazilian ppl

 

But I'll make the math with 500 WPE

 

USA= 0,68 hours = 500 WPE

BR= 5.52 hours = 500 WPE

 

It's 8x more expensive, do you think thats ok?


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:15 PM

You know at the start of the year, 1 January 2020, the exchange rate was just 1 USD to 4 BRL, if you go by that, then it will be 400 BRL for 10k WPE (pre corona rates).

 

If you look from 2015 to end of 2019, you can see that the rates fluctuates between 3-4 BRL per 1 usd. (Just go google usd to brl)

 

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So if 10k wpe will cost 400 brl, that would be $76.47 instead of the crazy $50 that they were previously. Yeah there are still that 24% ish that they can manipulate but It wont be as outrageous as it is right now. 

It jump from 4.16 BRL to 5.59 during this pandemic.

 

To those brazillian players, if WPE disable gifting for Brazillians (If thats an option), it means both gifting and reloading the gift card.

Will you guys be fine not buying WPE from other players? (I don't think they ever need to think of this cause them buying directly from WP is the cheapest it has been so far).

But going forward, this is something to think about.

 

But an honest question, can those of us from SEA also get this regional pricing? I remember it was due to payment partners and stuffs. We have those exclusive to those regions, so can WP consider that too?

 

Our wages here aren't that good either you know.  :wub: Minimum wage here is 5.57 atm, we also need to work 5 hours to get 500 wpe.

Thai daily minimum wage is 300 THB a day and its 8 hours work, that translates to about $8.5 a day or $1.07 per hour, they have to work 4.67 hours for 500 wpe. (Source from a friend, if its wrong please correct me)

 

Come on Indonesians and Philliphines, add some data here! Sorry SG, you guys have better exchange rate.  :rolleyes:


Edited by yamasakai90, 24 July 2020 - 04:29 PM.

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#30 Ashuckel

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:23 PM

Completely disabling the WPE gift card system pretty much trashes the RMT market for it, and many other things as ppl use WPE codes as direct payment sometimes. But that comes at the cost of losing a nifty system that can be used for it's legitimate purposes.

Limiting how many gift cards you can create/claim could be a start.

Brazilian(and any other country with regional pricing applied) WPE is only "cheaper" for those using dollar or other more valuable currencies to buy it, aka the black market and people spoofing the site to make it think they are from here. Otherwse it is more expensive for a brazilian to buy the same amount of wpe with the regional pricing on than a player of a country with a stronger currency at default ratios.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:32 PM

You literally didnt understand whats the point here dude.

 

Its not about buy 10k WPE, I never bought 10k WPE

 

The point is how expesive the new price is to brazilian ppl

 

But I'll make the math with 500 WPE

 

USA= 0,68 hours = 500 WPE

BR= 5.52 hours = 500 WPE

 

It's 8x more expensive, do you think thats ok?

 

I did understand, but what I don't understand is why that you complain since iRO isn't made for Brazil in the first place!

I but bRO offers much better deals that WP has to offer on iRO paying the exchange rate, do you even understand how the rates can vary!

If you thought that the price of the WPE and the economy of the entire world works you're a bigger fool that I thought.

 

And like I said before for 20$ US I have to pay almost 28$ CA so is it fair? Oh no, but that's how the economy works because each country economy is different than the other.

Have you never thought that Brazil's money is worthless? 


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#32 Vikkao

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:33 PM

Ash did explicit a good point, it only seems profitable when you look to it as an outsider (i.e have your funds in a stronger monetary country like basically any that uses dollar, or USA as USD is the norm) and are trying to trick the system.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:37 PM

Ash did explicit a good point, it only seems profitable when you look to it as an outsider (i.e have your funds in a stronger monetary country like basically any that uses dollar, or USA as USD is the norm) and are trying to trick the system.

 

Even if Canada uses dollars it's still different from the dollars that the USA uses, like I said before, for 20$ I'll had to pay almost 28$ so your point doesn't stand.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:39 PM

 

Our wages here aren't that good either you know.  :wub: Minimum wage here is 5.57 atm, we also need to work 5 hours to get 500 wpe.

Thai daily minimum wage is 300 THB a day and its 8 hours work, that translates to about $8.5 a day or $1.07 per hour, they have to work 4.67 hours for 500 wpe. (Source from a friend, if its wrong please correct me)

 

Come on Indonesians and Philliphines, add some data here! Sorry SG, you guys have better exchange rate.  :rolleyes:

 

Yes, since I'm Thai. I happen to live in Canada right now for long ass vacation. Paying $10/k is too much for me.

 

The minimum wage in Bangkok is 331 bath (Bangkok) per day (8 working hrs), so that is, a $1.31/hr rate.

 

... So Thai people have to work roughly 7.6 hrs to buy 1k WPE? I call this MADNESS! 

 

Even if Canada uses dollars it's still different from the dollars that the USA uses, like I said before, for 20$ I'll had to pay almost 28$ so your point doesn't stand.

 

Pro tip, most average Canadian workers dont have a luxury to pay USD $10/k. In fact, most of us, me and my friends at least ... pay bills to bills. That is, we get a payroll, immediately we pay the monthly utility bills and leave us less than $69 a month. I will have to pay my home mortgage for next 300 months. Maybe my dogs will get the home when I finally pay off all the mortgage <3


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:42 PM

It wasn't cheaper for brazillians before this, its definitely not cheaper now since its on par rate. 

 

And since WP doesn't act on a floating rate but instead at a fix rate, the current R5.20 rate is actually way beyond the norm for the past 5 years.

 

No one has a problem with regional pricing, its because we understand of different wages and living standards everywhere in the world.

 

SEA people complained about it cause we didn't get regional pricing and had to pay the full exchange rate. But did we get regional pricing? Nope.

 

'If you get favourable pricing, and you use it for yourself. Its fine. 

If you resell it once a while, and no one notices, other users who pay full price would probably close one eye about it.

 

But when you rampantly sell it, and affect the entire RO economy about it, people are gonna rage.'

 

 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:45 PM

An American needs to work 13,79 hours to buy 10k WPE
Now a Brazilian needs to work 110,41 hours to buy 10k WPE

I'm so frustrated

Most people in thor(filipinos) need around 80 hours of work to get 10k WPE. The pricing is mostly based on the exchange rate. 80 hours in ph = around 5,000 php = around 100 $

Theres nothing really to complain about since prices are effected by exchange rate otherwise the company loses money fr9m selling abroad

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:50 PM

I cannot understand people who say Brazilians are not welcome on iRO, since even Campitor complimented the feedback about the pricing...

Do these people understand that the servers are LACKING players and they want to get rid of people who not only plays but want to spend money here?

And please, don't mention bRO if you don't know how terrible it is, and this is why we are a so active community. Even for Gravity standards. Nobody would be here if it wasn't like that but unfortunately it is. It is so bad that if people cannot play on iRO, they would just quit or go to a pirate server and spend there!

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About WPE pricing. Yes, it almost doubled since when I started playing on RT about three months ago. Currency exchange rate don't explain it, but it is the reason I only get my KP from zeny instead of $.

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 04:53 PM

you all only looking at differences of minimum wage salary but not checking how a way of living costs look like in each country. that's because 90% of you only live with your moms and not payin` bills.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:02 PM

About WPE pricing. Yes, it almost doubled since when I started playing on RT about three months ago. Currency exchange rate don't explain it, but it is the reason I only get my KP from zeny instead of $.

 

Thats because the rates were never changed since 2014-2017 (300 BRL = $100), added with the regional pricing, thats how you got your 248.82 BRL for 10k wpe ($100)

 

Right now the exchange rate is 520 BRL for $100, thats how you got your new rates.

 

 

TLDR: Rates were following currency exchange from years back. BRL has since worsen against USD and lost almost half its value. Thats why you need 2x BRL now to get the same amount of USD.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:09 PM

this is a heavy topic my brain =  :ani_ag: when try to keep up lol


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:10 PM

you all only looking at differences of minimum wage salary but not checking how a way of living costs look like in each country. that's because 90% of you only live with your moms and not payin` bills.


Thats why i decided to look up on the average salary in the country even knowing there's some discrepancy based on the kind of job you do. Taking myself for example, i dont get even 3k/month (Not even 600 dollars) and too have bills to pay. So you can see as why someone would just stop seeing this as luxury (and be happy blowing 20/30/40k wpe per month) to just think the new price is out of my league.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:19 PM

I cannot understand people who say Brazilians are not welcome on iRO, since even Campitor complimented the feedback about the pricing...

Do these people understand that the servers are LACKING players and they want to get rid of people who not only plays but want to spend money here?

And please, don't mention bRO if you don't know how terrible it is, and this is why we are a so active community. Even for Gravity standards. Nobody would be here if it wasn't like that but unfortunately it is. It is so bad that if people cannot play on iRO, they would just quit or go to a pirate server and spend there!

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About WPE pricing. Yes, it almost doubled since when I started playing on RT about three months ago. Currency exchange rate don't explain it, but it is the reason I only get my KP from zeny instead of $.

 

It's just plain xenophobia

Never seen any comment telling EU players go back to euRO when they were playing here


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:29 PM

revert back to normal pricing & limit the gift card code only redeemable by same country account?

or auto flag a country gift code to "special" one that only redemable by only in same country IF the current exchange rate is way below % of the usd to wpp


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:49 PM

Even if Canada uses dollars it's still different from the dollars that the USA uses, like I said before, for 20$ I'll had to pay almost 28$ so your point doesn't stand.

And you could totally try to point out payment processors to benefit your country(and yourself) to WP, like it has been done in the past for Brazil(used to have only 1) and SEA countries(had none now has like 2?).

I think you glossed over this earlier, but i'll link it again.
https://forums.warpp...cing-explained/

 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:53 PM

YOYOYOYO ! Indonesian here! whats with this no-equal paying for WPE?

An American needs to work 13,79 hours to buy 10k WPE
Now a Brazilian needs to work 110,41 hours to buy 10k WPE ???

well!? now an Indonesian in my province need to work 8 hour x 26 days! 208 hours! thats wiggity whack yo.

10k wpe = 100$

100$ = 1.450.000 IDR
minimum wage in my province and surrounding area (and it happens to be my salary also LMAOOOO) = 1.886.000 IDR or 129.5$ / month
yeah we indonesian (esp. in my province) player bought WPE then go broke! real!

is this fair? no
are we complaining? no, 
cuz
uhh
we understand how currency work.

edit: oh also dont compare SEA (MSP + Th) WPE purchasing services to here. we dont have. only xsolla. and thats 1~2$ more expensive


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:54 PM

Thats because the rates were never changed since 2014-2017 (300 BRL = $100), added with the regional pricing, thats how you got your 248.82 BRL for 10k wpe ($100)

 

Right now the exchange rate is 520 BRL for $100, thats how you got your new rates.

 

 

TLDR: Rates were following currency exchange from years back. BRL has since worsen against USD and lost almost half its value. Thats why you need 2x BRL now to get the same amount of USD.

 

You could have a point, but I paid ~34 BRL for 1k WPE so either there was another adjustment to the price or it had the regional pricing disabled at all.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 05:58 PM

My suggestion:

 

1. Reverse price back to what it was before and make WPE purchased from regional partners not able to be gifted

 

2. If the above is not possible, make two types of WPE: one that can be purchased with US dollar using credit card and is able to be gifted;

the other one can be purchased with local currency from regional partners for a cheaper price and is not able to be gifted.


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#48 Vikkao

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:09 PM

My suggestion:

1. Reverse price back to what it was before and make WPE purchased from regional partners not able to be gifted

2. If the above is not possible, make two types of WPE: one that can be purchased with US dollar using credit card and is able to be gifted;
the other one can be purchased with local currency from regional partners for a cheaper price and is not able to be gifted.


I double down on that, basically making the gift card only work with direct Credit Card transactions (ie always in dollar) would be way better than disabling regional prices.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:28 PM

>> char only works with cash items.
 
I went back to playing ragnarok recently for nostalgia because it was my teenager's game.
I think the issue here is not the nationality-specific buying power, but why ONLY BRL has doubled in price.
I believe that purchasing power is an important issue of comparison, yes.
I doubt it is possible to experience the real potential of the game without a "true alt q"
 
Obviously, I will not surrender to simple p2w, but it is a chance to experience a little closer to the magic that MMO provides for someone who cannot simply donate incessant years of effort to reach a fragment of the game.
 
With this new price, to get an idea, 7 OCPs are equivalent to a 5G-120Gb internet fee in Brazil. I hope to make it clear that, thus, not only is P2W unviable, but also a basic investment to be able to leveling up and enjoy the game.

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:38 PM

I think the issue here is not the nationality-specific buying power, but why ONLY BRL has doubled in price.

 

 

 

Why Only BRL has doubled in price? Thats easy.. because every other country is paying the equivalent rate of $100 as per their exchange rate. I'm not gonna throw in Argentina at the moment, but I believe they had their rates revised to be on par too.

 

Every other country in iRO pays the same rate at $100 to get 10k wpe. +/- 2-3% difference. 


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