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#51 daileon2

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:52 PM

And you could totally try to point out payment processors to benefit your country(and yourself) to WP, like it has been done in the past for Brazil(used to have only 1) and SEA countries(had none now has like 2?).

I think you glossed over this earlier, but i'll link it again.
https://forums.warpp...cing-explained/

 

 

It doesn`t matter when everything the user wants is to show the hate for brazilians to be here.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:56 PM

It doesn`t matter when everything the user wants is to show the hate for brazilians to be here.

i dont hate brazilian, have some friends there, few are close friend.
i just dont understand why you guys complain frantically
when my (our/indonesian) condition is so much worse and we pay full 100$ for 10k WPE, since the start of iRO


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#53 helioxp

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 06:57 PM

It's just plain xenophobia
Never seen any comment telling EU players go back to euRO when they were playing here


I wasn't planning to coment here, but, Brazilian discord server is on fire at the moment.
​Unfortunately, what Mega Edge is saying is a really Xenophobic argument, we are not going to bRO for a lot of reasons.

If we (Brazillians) are an agressive community as you say, do you really think it's a good idea to just say things like that?

My poiny is, if you keep an argument on that way, the Brazillian community will hate you soon, actually, this is already happening, since at the Brazilian's discord members are already asking your IGN/discord.

I do not approve any kind of agressive behavior at our discord, but this will end up in Brazilians cursing you and disturbing your gameplay.

About the topic, I could make Vikkao words, mine.
After that rate change, a lot of Brazilians may end up stopping/quitting the game, hope Campitor and staff can figure a way out for this.


 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:00 PM

i dont hate brazilian, have some friends there, few are close friend.
i just dont understand why you guys complain frantically
when my (our/indonesian) condition is so much worse and we pay full 100$ for 10k WPE, since the start of iRO

 

just because you don't bother with anything, can anyone else bother?

 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:00 PM

While SEA folks dont get to have that cheap WPE rate, SEA folks also buy from the Brazilians. It is because the Brazilians get that privilege to have the regional pricing, no one else. Now, however ... supposedly, the last currency also lost its privilege, everyone should be paying the same or very close +/- 1-2%

 

I say, Camp should jsut bring new OCPs already, from jRO and kRO lol. This Firesale is boring. New Thai players only need a week to get all OCPs that they want, then later its a game time if you bring new OCPs <3


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:02 PM

Please no hate messages or reply here. I have a few nice Brazilian friends. Heck, the stranger who gave me my first non npc weapon is a Brazilian.

We are here to discuss on the wpe pricing, not how so and so in game.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:03 PM

i just dont understand why you guys complain frantically

Because there has been payment processors offering discounted prices for brazilians for the last 8-ish years?(plus however long before i joined) And that option has just been removed?

There probably are people in worse situations and it really sucks that's the case, but what good does it do for people to come here and say "ha! get f...cked now you have to pay the """"same""""" as I do!". If you don't have it then no one else can?



The "fair" argument is really useless as it can be turned both ways.

"You get to pay the equivalent of 50 dollars when i have to pay 100, that's unfair!"

"You get to work 15 hours to make that 100 dollars while i have to work 75 hours, that's unfair"

 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:20 PM

It's just plain xenophobia

Never seen any comment telling EU players go back to euRO when they were playing here

Do you know the definition of xenophobia? Or are you just spouting terms you’ve heard the media parrot? Because there wasn’t anything xenophobic or racist about it. He was stating FACTS. Your money isn’t worth anything to the rest of the world. And that’s not our problem, it’s how your government is running your country.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:25 PM

Privilege really does breed ignorance...


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:27 PM

ye ofc international ragnarok online server was made for the 10 canadians in the world  :lol:


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:31 PM

Do you know the definition of xenophobia? Or are you just spouting terms you’ve heard the media parrot? Because there wasn’t anything xenophobic or racist about it. He was stating FACTS. Your money isn’t worth anything to the rest of the world. And that’s not our problem, it’s how your government is running your country.

 

dude, this is international RO, not US-RO, you're posting on the wrong room


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:31 PM

Because there has been payment processors offering discounted prices for brazilians for the last 8-ish years?(plus however long before i joined) And that option has just been removed?

There probably are people in worse situations and it really sucks that's the case, but what good does it do for people to come here and say "ha! get f...cked now you have to pay the """"same""""" as I do!". If you don't have it then no one else can?



The "fair" argument is really useless as it can be turned both ways.

"You get to pay the equivalent of 50 dollars when i have to pay 100, that's unfair!"

"You get to work 15 hours to make that 100 dollars while i have to work 75 hours, that's unfair"

 

alright for the base statement i will say that from here on i will not use specific countries to make my argument parallel

Because there has been payment processors offering discounted prices for brazilians for the last 8-ish years?(plus however long before i joined) And that option has just been removed?
for this one, from the WP PoV,is it fair or not fair if their pricing is directly affected by the country's currency and purchasing power?

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and for the same paying, its still not the same, we still have it worse <<< BUT i will throw this out of the argument alright, because:
tbh i am kinda abstain but i believe everybody can, im okay, im honestly very okay and not distrubed and not jealous how country A have it easier/cheaper for country B to get OnlineCurrency.
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what i am saying is, why don't accept "Country A" currency's condition to the ratio of Service Provider Country; because the drop of "Country A" currency power is not WP responsibility? its like "oh the global currency power of my country is dropping especially in ratio to Game Service Provider base Country, so international purchases will be more expensive also purchases from that game base country, thats understandable"

im very okay if they suddenly went flipflapflop to us and make 10k WPE 200$ here, im just pointing some way of thinking

The "fair" argument is really useless as it can be turned both ways.

"You get to pay the equivalent of 50 dollars when i have to pay 100, that's unfair!"

"You get to work 15 hours to make that 100 dollars while i have to work 75 hours, that's unfair"

im not the one who started that argument also ^^^, im just adding some point of view
 


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:34 PM

dude, this is international RO, not US-RO, you're posting on the wrong room

The server has been hosted in the US since it started. So what’s your point?


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:36 PM

So? You want the server to be hosted on a private island on international waters?
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:39 PM

so pleas change the name to naRO


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:40 PM

The server has been hosted in the US since it started. So what’s your point?

 

hosted in US = United States Ragnarok online? (like euRO, JRO, kRO etc?)

 

who are you? warpportal spokesman?


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:41 PM

My point is they have bills to pay as well, rent, internet, and employees. All of which are American people or businesses that take American money. So you want to pay those people and companies a fraction of what they would normally get for your wages?

 

@CKDD could say they same about you, some random Brazilian on the internet, I’m a random American.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:48 PM

What is it?
Regional pricing is the practice where prices of goods and services (in this case WPE) are adjusted to meet the economic reality of a certain region.
 
Why is it done?
Because it is very easy to price yourself out of a region. If your product is too expensive that only a few can afford it. Then almost no one will buy it. For businesses such as our it is important to make some of the money instead no money.
 
Do you have an example?
Currently using their special region payment option Brazilian users can purchase 2500 WPE for about 20 USD.
US Minimum wage is 7.25 USD/hr. 25 USD of points then represents 3.44 hours of labor.

Brazilian Minimum wage is 4 BRL/hr or 1.28 USD/hr. 25 USD of points would then represent 19.53 hours of labor.

This is a lot to ask anyone to pay for a video game.

By allowing for a slight loss the Brazilian player has to work 15.62 hours in order to pay for 25 USD worth of points. This is still a lot to ask. Unfortunately if we set it too low it would lead to wide abuse by players not in the region that we are targeting.

Since we want as many players as we can adventuring, MVPing, WoEing, and participating in all aspects of the game it is important to offer them at least some relief from the differences in wages between the countries. So that all can participate in the game. These payment options are supposed to be region locked so that only users from the areas being targeted with the regional pricing are allowed to use them. The Universal Payment options such as paypal always charge the full USD amount.
 
Why doesn't X Region have a similar payment option?
For each region it comes down to what payment processors/options we are able to partner with for individual countries. If you have suggestions I am sure that the payment team would be happy to hear them. Usually the payment processor that is unique to a region will have the regional pricing. The Universal Payment options such as paypal always charge the full USD amount.
 
Isn't this unfair to countries that don't have these bonuses?
Users from economically stronger countries are in the unique position where they can take advantage of sales events and conversion bonuses. When we run one of these events they are able to maximize their bonuses. In general users from other regions are unable to do so.
 
Is this some kind of Unique harebrained Warpportal idea?
No, regional pricing is an issue the entire games industry has struggled with. PC Gamer has done a relatively decent article covering the subject here: http://www.pcgamer.c...ound-the-world/ There are both good and bad ways of going about this and we would like to believe that we are going towards a more fair option for consumers from all over the world.

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:53 PM

My point is they have bills to pay as well, rent, internet, and employees. All of which are American people or businesses that take American money. So you want to pay those people and companies a fraction of what they would normally get for your wages?

 

@CKDD could say they same about you, some random Brazilian on the internet, I’m a random American.

 

no sir, i am not Brazilian

 

you got your point but i just didn't agree on that certain point i bold


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 07:58 PM

i knew, i read, and i agree with that.
what i dont seems to agree/condone is some responded like this is a hate act


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:01 PM

 

This post is very enlightening and I cannot understand why the WP would simply renounce this policy, especially without any explanation. Furthermore, I cannot understand the hatred that people seem to have for a policy that has always existed. If the resignation of a gambling financial policy is due to the RMT (so far, this is only speculation and gossip, since the staff did not take a position on this resignation) it is very clear to me that the buyers were not Brazilian, therefore, it makes no sense to penalize just a specific part of the server due to a two-way practice.

 

"Unfortunately if we set it too low it would lead to wide abuse by players not in the region that we are targeting."

 

As Campitor said in the post above, (if gossip and speculation are right) the abuse is committed by people outside the region, so why DOUBLE the Brazilian price? If the dollar fluctuation had an effect on this issue, wouldn't it be better to adjust a little bit the prices  instead of harming all players in a single country?
 

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Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:14 PM

putting my two cents here. It's removed because regional pricing failed them as iRO isn't a physical product that you buy in person at each location.

 

They are probably losing quite a bit of money they could have earned since many people are now buying from brazilians who can offer 65$ for 10K instead of 100$ for 10K. So WP does not get to earn the 35$ extra they should have from any other players from outside Brazil. 

 

Why now and not long ago? Well, the thing is that this is almost entirely just brought heavily into awareness due to outside marketplaces for the game (discord, facebook, watever). It could have been abused long ago as well but done on a less massive scale. Right now, this is probably abused to a high extend that the impact is properly felt by the WP team that they decided to stop giving BR the privilege pricing.

 

 

FYI, i'm neither for or against this. I'm simply stating why this change could have taken place. If you're a brazilian and think you still do deserve lower pricing, you would do better along the lines of suggesting solutions that let you keep regional pricing without WP losing out (that is to say brazillians buying for other country players). Camp can then bring it up to the people receiving money if it's a great idea rather than just listen to arguments all day.


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:26 PM

putting my two cents here. It's removed because regional pricing failed them as iRO isn't a physical product that you buy in person at each location.

They are probably losing quite a bit of money they could have earned since many people are now buying from brazilians who can offer 65$ for 10K instead of 100$ for 10K. So WP does not get to earn the 35$ extra they should have from any other players from outside Brazil.

Why now and not long ago? Well, the thing is that this is almost entirely just brought heavily into awareness due to outside marketplaces for the game (discord, facebook, watever). It could have been abused long ago as well but done on a less massive scale. Right now, this is probably abused to a high extend that the impact is properly felt by the WP team that they decided to stop giving BR the privilege pricing.


FYI, i'm neither for or against this. I'm simply stating why this change could have taken place. If you're a brazilian and think you still do deserve lower pricing, you would do better along the lines of suggesting solutions that let you keep regional pricing without WP losing out (that is to say brazillians buying for other country players). Camp can then bring it up to the people receiving money if it's a great idea rather than just listen to arguments all day.


Yama already mentioned that. WP probably could pretend to close one eye when only couple people abused the system but then since more and more people are turning to abuse this system, its becoming a big loss that WP can't pretend to close one eye anymore.
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Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:31 PM

It wasn't cheaper for brazillians before this, its definitely not cheaper now since its on par rate. 

 

And since WP doesn't act on a floating rate but instead at a fix rate, the current R5.20 rate is actually way beyond the norm for the past 5 years.

 

No one has a problem with regional pricing, its because we understand of different wages and living standards everywhere in the world.

 

SEA people complained about it cause we didn't get regional pricing and had to pay the full exchange rate. But did we get regional pricing? Nope.

 

'If you get favourable pricing, and you use it for yourself. Its fine. 

If you resell it once a while, and no one notices, other users who pay full price would probably close one eye about it.

 

But when you rampantly sell it, and affect the entire RO economy about it, people are gonna rage.'

disclaimer : i don't use rmt and never will, in fact i've chosen to experience the game without paying for benefits (be it legal or illegal i choose none) altough i still recommend the game to friends and recommend them buying at least the vip while they play.

well after you talked about the effects on ro economy it got me thinking about the famous phrase "cui bono" who benefits from all of this,

from br players perspective it was a nice price adequated to our economic realities, from all normal player perspective, this reduced price either didn't matter or, lowered prices across all economy'(wich let me be clear, didn't affect legal playerbase negativelly because say : if you had zeny your purchasing power just increase, or if you had let's say one of the most sought after items for general leveling purposes and more : Catherina Von Blood, and for some reason you wanted to sell it and buy something like Evil Dragon Armor or Enforcer shoes, your cvb price is now down that sucks right? except other item price is now down like said eda and enforcer shoes so your purchasing power stays the same), so by adjusting the prices now, it indeed hampers one illegal price that is rmt flipping(altough there would probably be better solutions for that), tough the other rmt practices still remain and not only that, they are the people benefited by this rise in price, only those who do illegal practices benefit from the raise from the ratio zeny/dollar because now they can sell their zeny/kp/wpe at higher price and the fortunes they amassed can now even double, while the entire legal playerbase only loses because price inflation, so... from a player perspective i only see illegal players(and rly big fish at that) benefiting from this in a very large way

taking into consideration what i just said in this post, could you explain how did you come to the final conclusion like : people are gonna rage because of how it effects the ro economy, and how it affects you negatively/how you are affected positively now


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Posted 24 July 2020 - 08:40 PM

disclaimer : i don't use rmt and never will, in fact i've chosen to experience the game without paying for benefits (be it legal or illegal i choose none) altough i still recommend the game to friends and recommend them buying at least the vip while they play.

well after you talked about the effects on ro economy it got me thinking about the famous phrase "cui bono" who benefits from all of this,

from br players perspective it was a nice price adequated to our economic realities, from all normal player perspective, this reduced price either didn't matter or, lowered prices across all economy'(wich let me be clear, didn't affect legal playerbase negativelly because say : if you had zeny your purchasing power just increase, or if you had let's say one of the most sought after items for general leveling purposes and more : Catherina Von Blood, and for some reason you wanted to sell it and buy something like Evil Dragon Armor or Enforcer shoes, your cvb price is now down that sucks right? except other item price is now down like said eda and enforcer shoes so your purchasing power stays the same), so by adjusting the prices now, it indeed hampers one illegal price that is rmt flipping(altough there would probably be better solutions for that), tough the other rmt practices still remain and not only that, they are the people benefited by this rise in price, only those who do illegal practices benefit from the raise from the ratio zeny/dollar because now they can sell their zeny/kp/wpe at higher price and the fortunes they amassed can now even double, while the entire legal playerbase only loses because price inflation, so... from a player perspective i only see illegal players(and rly big fish at that) benefiting from this in a very large way

taking into consideration what i just said in this post, could you explain how did you come to the final conclusion like : people are gonna rage because of how it effects the ro economy, and how it affects you negatively/how you are affected positively now

to be clear i'm not accusing you or anything, as far as i interacted with you, you seem to be a very good player and a person that i think is good for the community as a whole to have, i'm just curious about the logic you used to reach the conclusion you used


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