191 replies to this topic

[CheddarJack]

how do you guys know it wont ever break the 179 barrier? im sure someone will, no?

[Tetsamaru]

how do you guys know it wont ever break the 179 barrier? im sure someone will, no?

Because theres already been enough data proven otherwise.

I'm sure theres going to like 1 or 2 exceptions. But realisticly, you just can't assume you'll be part of that exception. Since Homunculus stat growths are random.

Might be a different story if Alchemist can actually choose where to put points for Homuns, but thats not the case.

[Cubical]

Maybe its just me, but seeing all of these different 150 Homun S it does seem as if they all have their own stats and Hp / Sp caps. So please keep posting those 150 pics!

[lainee]

Maybe its just me, but seeing all of these different 150 Homun S it does seem as if they all have their own stats and Hp / Sp caps. So please keep posting those 150 pics!

About how many 150 Homunculus S are there now on each server, and also what types?

[Realus]

how do you guys know it wont ever break the 179 barrier? im sure someone will, no?

Because Azzy posted level 150 ASPD a long time ago from his(?) Sakray Homunc:

If you search around you'll see 2 150 Eiras with 179 ASPD, and two 150 Dieters with 169 ASPD. Which match with Azzy's numbers perfectly.

You'll also find that the numbers don't just "Randomly" increase for ASPD.
Once agi hits 150, it seems (At least for Eira/Sera, the ones who get 179 aspd)... (99 already has 176 aspd) 110 = 177 ASPD, 120 = 178 ASPD, and 140 = 179 ASPD.
No, those aren't approximate levels, those are exact levels. There is no ASPD growth on 130/150 for those two Homunc. (Dieter however increased on 150)

So it would seem, that ASPD is formulated by AGI, Base Level / Something Floored, and Homunc Type.
When all are calculated, and you have 150 Agi, 150 Base Level... you throw in the type and get Azzy's numbers.

When my Eira 150's I'll post to confirm that it also only has 179 aspd. (Currently 148, and that's its ASPD)

It's just simply there is too much proof of Azzy's numbers, and little no proof to go against it.

Maybe its just me, but seeing all of these different 150 Homun S it does seem as if they all have their own stats and Hp / Sp caps. So please keep posting those 150 pics!

Uh... what?
They are all have stats capped. (150 Str/Agi/Dex/Int/Vit/Luk)
These caps give them all a specific substat cap. (165 ATK, 450 Hit, etc.) [Note: Skills that raise stats or substats will make these higher]
ASPD, seems to be Homunc dependent. And the numbers Azzy had from Sakray look pretty solid.

This leaves only HP/SP that will be different from all Homunculus. (Except those that didn't reach a cap)
I don't know how you figure they all have their own HP/SP caps. We've only had possibly one example of an HP cap, and it was this Dieter. Because supposedly it had stopped HP growth for 10 levels. (And possibly explained in the following post)

All other 150 homunculus have not demostrated any such cap.
If I were to guess (Based on the explaination about "2^15 - 1"), I'd have to say all 9 types (4 Homunc, and 5 Homunc S) all max out at the same HP/SP totals. If, they were to get that good of a growth in the 150 levels that is.
With HP's value being maxed out at 32767, and SP currently unknown. (Or possibly the same value?)
[Edit] Current top for SP is reported as 4866. At least that's the SS with the most so far [/Edit]

If anything, it's interesting to see HP/SP variance between different homunculus.
The problem with this however, is that we don't really know all the details which are important to this.
Only one person with a 150 Dieter has mentioned they had a pre-renewal evolved Vani. (Hence, it explains the lower HP/SP then the Dieter who hit the HP cap)
Otherwise... we know of the HP-Cap Dieter being a Amistr, and the Two Eira's being Vanis.
Pre-renewal/Post-Renewal information is missing.

[Edit]
Oh, actually we know of:
- Pre-Renewal Vani -> Dieter
- Post-Renewal Vani -> Dieter
- Vani -> Dieter
- Amistr -> Dieter
- 99 Vani -> Eira
- 99 Vani -> Eira

(When mine gets 150, and I post up it's info...)
- 112 Post-Renewal Vani -> Eira
[/Edit]

Not to mention we have no idea -when- they were evolved.
For example, my Eira has better HP (Broke 20k) then the two 150's posted, and it become an Eira at 112 from a Post-Renewal Vani.
If you simply assume it evolved as a 99 Vani, your assumption about Eira growth would be skewed.

About how many 150 Homunculus S are there now on each server, and also what types?

No clue! At least the ones posted on the forums seem to be:
2 Eira and 1 3 Dieters, Ymir
1 Dieter, Valk

In 150%, I'll be adding 1 more Eira to the Ymir list.
Then I have no clue how many others are roaming around in-game, that don't even visit the forums.

Edit:
Oops, I didn't check iROwiki's thread too carefully, only remembered seeing the first 150 posted there, and didn't pay attention to the rest...
There are actually 2 more 150 Dieters on Ymir.
Changed Dieter amount, and added some information in the middle of my post; and linked to 150s.

Edited by Realus, 11 April 2012 - 07:04 AM.

[lainee]

No clue! At least the ones posted on the forums seem to be:
2 Eira and 1 Dieter, Ymir
1 Dieter, Valk

In 150%, I'll be adding 1 more Eira to the Ymir list.
Then I have no clue how many others are roaming around in-game, that don't even visit the forums.

Im still a little surprised that there are not lot more 150 Dieter's. Manually leveling with Lava Slide etc (and some AFKing) should be really quick compared to the other Homuncs.

[Gambri]

Might as well post a screenshot of my Dieter on this forum as well then.

Vani -> Dieter. Hit 150 during the 2x exp event a couple of weeks back: http://img821.images...nymirvip001.jpg

[Luckywhiterabbit]

Another update to my Dieter, now lv 120 as well as the damage done by lava slide. Does about 2700 or so under Blood Lust.

only 2 more levels until I get Magma Flow.

Edited by Luckywhiterabbit, 11 April 2012 - 06:17 AM.

[Realus]

Ymir
Post-Renewal Made Vani; Change from Vani -> Eira at level 112.
No Instruction change is on.
51 SP Gained per tick. (I kinda wish it didn't pass 2299 SP so it would have 50 SP per tick :< Oh well, better is better; even if it isn't even...)
Yay for breaking 20k HP though.

Goodbye OD2! May you see my Sera or Dieter alts in the future. >_>;

[Froggems]

Only 2700 with bloodlust, lucky?

If blood lust gives 150% shouldn't it be ~3200?

[CheddarJack]

updated my post on page 5

[Yaoi]

Here is my Vani. He is Evolved and is doing pretty good from what my friend says.
He is doing 420+ Damage. I can't wait till he 99's. I will post a screenshot of when he is 99 later on. :]

[DatchaRO]

Unknown if still wanted (not evolved or -S yet..) but since I tracked this current Lif so far...will pop it's stats per level in here.
Currently level 82 (5/22).
Will work out better text layout as well as stat estimates later...

Spoiler

Lum's Levels (Lif)
Lvl HP SP Atk Matk Hit Crit Def Mdef Flee Aspd
Awkward
01 150 40 16 60 175 5 40 46 21 137
02 oops... missed this one.
03 283 51 17 64 179 5 44 48 25 137
04 349 55 18 67 181 6 47 50 27 138
05 448 62 19 70 182 6 49 52 28 138
06 539 71 19 73 183 6 50 55 29 138
07 627 75 20 75 185 6 53 55 31 138
08 690 82 20 76 186 6 56 57 33 138
09 789 88 20 77 187 7 59 57 35 139
10 871 92 23 83 189 7 63 61 38 139
11 966 96 24 86 191 8 65 63 40 140
12 1032 105 24 88 193 8 69 65 42 140
13 1128 114 25 91 195 8 71 67 44 140
14 1216 123 25 94 197 8 73 67 46 141
15 1277 130 26 95 199 8 75 69 48 141
16 1338 139 27 97 201 8 79 69 50 142
17 1417 143 28 100 203 8 81 71 52 142
18 1507 150 29 102 206 9 83 72 54 142
19 1571 155 30 103 208 9 83 72 56 143
20 1671 163 32 107 210 9 89 75 59 143
21 1750 171 32 108 211 9 89 75 60 143
22 1835 180 33 111 213 10 91 76 62 144
23 1915 186 33 112 214 10 93 78 64 144
24 2001 194 34 115 216 10 94 78 65 144
25 2079 201 35 118 217 10 96 80 66 144
26 2178 205 36 119 219 11 100 82 68 144
27 2270 213 37 121 221 11 102 82 69 144
28 2357 218 37 124 223 11 105 84 71 145
29 2435 223 38 125 224 12 107 86 72 145
30 2523 227 40 131 226 12 113 90 75 146
Shy
31 2590 232 41 135 228 13 116 92 77 146
32 2670 240 42 138 230 13 117 94 79 146
33 2761 244 43 140 232 13 120 94 81 147
34 2822 254 43 142 233 14 123 96 82 147
35 2918 262 44 145 234 14 125 98 83 147
36 2996 270 45 147 236 14 128 100 85 147
37 3062 282 45 149 237 15 130 102 86 147
38 3125 288 46 152 238 15 132 103 88 147
39 3198 292 47 155 240 15 134 105 89 147
40 3292 299 49 159 242 16 140 108 92 148
41 3375 304 50 162 244 16 142 110 93 148
42 3471 311 50 163 246 16 145 110 95 148
Neutral
oop... had forgot about the stages involving Brain Surgery levellup... levelled BS to 4 and now...
42 3471 314 50 163 246 16 145 110 95 148
43 3534 319 51 166 248 17 145 112 96 148
44 3601 327 52 168 250 17 148 112 97 149
45 3675 332 52 169 251 17 148 113 98 149
brain surg to lvl 5
45 3675 336 52 169 251 17 148 113 98 149
46 3747 342 53 170 252 17 150 113 100 149
47 3844 350 54 173 253 18 152 115 101 149
48 3936 360 54 174 254 18 153 115 102 149
49 4006 367 55 177 256 18 155 117 104 149
50 4100 375 56 182 257 19 161 121 107 150
51 4173 380 58 185 259 19 162 123 109 150
52 4268 386 58 187 261 19 163 123 111 150
53 4333 394 59 188 262 20 166 124 113 151
54 4416 400 60 190 265 20 169 125 115 151
55 4515 409 60 191 267 20 172 126 117 151
56 4606 414 61 193 268 20 175 127 119 152
57 4700 420 61 195 269 21 177 129 120 152
58 4762 425 62 196 270 21 180 130 121 152
59 4833 432 62 199 271 21 182 132 122 152
60 4893 437 64 204 273 21 188 135 125 153
61 4958 444 65 206 275 22 191 137 127 153
62 5039 449 66 209 277 22 194 139 129 153
63 5137 456 67 212 279 22 195 140 131 154
64 5221 465 69 215 282 23 198 142 133 154
65 5287 472 70 218 284 23 201 144 135 154
66 5360 476 70 221 286 23 204 146 135 154
67 5456 484 71 224 288 23 206 148 138 155
68 5555 489 72 225 290 24 207 148 139 155
69 5622 493 73 228 291 24 208 150 141 155
70 5706 502 75 232 293 24 214 152 144 156
71 5790 510 76 233 295 25 216 153 146 156
72 5884 515 76 236 297 25 220 155 148 156
73 5961 520 76 239 298 25 220 156 150 157
74 6029 527 77 242 300 25 223 158 151 157
75 6113 536 78 245 302 26 226 160 153 157
76 6201 544 79 246 304 26 227 160 154 157
77 6295 554 80 249 306 26 227 162 156 158
78 6357 561 81 252 308 27 231 164 158 158
79 6434 569 82 257 310 27 231 166 159 158
80 6494 574 84 262 312 27 237 170 162 159
81 6582 581 84 263 313 28 239 171 164 159
82 6674 590 85 266 315 28 243 173 166 159

5/22 Edit: L82 added. Lum's still Neutral.. first form.

Edited by DatchaRO, 22 May 2012 - 03:14 AM.

[LadyRaven]

Okay...I'm a little new to all this. I chose a Filir as my first homunculus. I'm not sure if I need help or not; LOL!

Here's his stats at level 89, unevolved:


Edit: I just noticed the above stats are buffed...so the atk and flee should be lower...Flee is easy to figure out, just take 20 from it; but I'm not sure about the Atk.

At lvl 90 (unevolved, unbuffed) they were (sorry, no SS):

Atk 92
MAtk 239
Hit 337
Crit 21
Def 159
MDef 110
Flee 214
Aspd 172
HP 5513
SP 429

I evolved him when he reached loyal, at level 93 (I have yet to go out in field and use him, so not sure what he's hitting like now), unbuffed:


I have no clue whether he's a keeper or not...to be honest, I still have to rebirth and such, anyway...Homun_S wise...I was considering the unicorn or catgirl.
Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you!
~Zelinsa~ (My alchemist)

Edited by LadyRaven, 08 May 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[kb106]

Vani ---> Bayeri
Vaporized. No Goldene Ferse on.

[idkDave123]

Filir - > Eleanor

Flitting + Accel Flight


no buffs

[kb106]

https://docs.google....NHJtbDY3X1EweHc

[DatchaRO]

Lif>Eira Lum: Currently level 103 (8/30).

Spoiler

Lum's Levels (Lif>Eira)
Lvl HP SP Atk Matk Hit Crit Def Mdef Flee Aspd
Awkward
01 150 40 16 60 175 5 40 46 21 137
02 oops... missed this one.
03 283 51 17 64 179 5 44 48 25 137
04 349 55 18 67 181 6 47 50 27 138
05 448 62 19 70 182 6 49 52 28 138
06 539 71 19 73 183 6 50 55 29 138
07 627 75 20 75 185 6 53 55 31 138
08 690 82 20 76 186 6 56 57 33 138
09 789 88 20 77 187 7 59 57 35 139
10 871 92 23 83 189 7 63 61 38 139
11 966 96 24 86 191 8 65 63 40 140
12 1032 105 24 88 193 8 69 65 42 140
13 1128 114 25 91 195 8 71 67 44 140
14 1216 123 25 94 197 8 73 67 46 141
15 1277 130 26 95 199 8 75 69 48 141
16 1338 139 27 97 201 8 79 69 50 142
17 1417 143 28 100 203 8 81 71 52 142
18 1507 150 29 102 206 9 83 72 54 142
19 1571 155 30 103 208 9 83 72 56 143
20 1671 163 32 107 210 9 89 75 59 143
21 1750 171 32 108 211 9 89 75 60 143
22 1835 180 33 111 213 10 91 76 62 144
23 1915 186 33 112 214 10 93 78 64 144
24 2001 194 34 115 216 10 94 78 65 144
25 2079 201 35 118 217 10 96 80 66 144
26 2178 205 36 119 219 11 100 82 68 144
27 2270 213 37 121 221 11 102 82 69 144
28 2357 218 37 124 223 11 105 84 71 145
29 2435 223 38 125 224 12 107 86 72 145
30 2523 227 40 131 226 12 113 90 75 146
Shy
31 2590 232 41 135 228 13 116 92 77 146
32 2670 240 42 138 230 13 117 94 79 146
33 2761 244 43 140 232 13 120 94 81 147
34 2822 254 43 142 233 14 123 96 82 147
35 2918 262 44 145 234 14 125 98 83 147
36 2996 270 45 147 236 14 128 100 85 147
37 3062 282 45 149 237 15 130 102 86 147
38 3125 288 46 152 238 15 132 103 88 147
39 3198 292 47 155 240 15 134 105 89 147
40 3292 299 49 159 242 16 140 108 92 148
41 3375 304 50 162 244 16 142 110 93 148
42 3471 311 50 163 246 16 145 110 95 148
Neutral
oop... had forgot about the stages involving Brain Surgery levellup... levelled BS to 4 and now...
42 3471 314 50 163 246 16 145 110 95 148
43 3534 319 51 166 248 17 145 112 96 148
44 3601 327 52 168 250 17 148 112 97 149
45 3675 332 52 169 251 17 148 113 98 149
brain surg to lvl 5
45 3675 336 52 169 251 17 148 113 98 149
46 3747 342 53 170 252 17 150 113 100 149
47 3844 350 54 173 253 18 152 115 101 149
48 3936 360 54 174 254 18 153 115 102 149
49 4006 367 55 177 256 18 155 117 104 149
50 4100 375 56 182 257 19 161 121 107 150
51 4173 380 58 185 259 19 162 123 109 150
52 4268 386 58 187 261 19 163 123 111 150
53 4333 394 59 188 262 20 166 124 113 151
54 4416 400 60 190 265 20 169 125 115 151
55 4515 409 60 191 267 20 172 126 117 151
56 4606 414 61 193 268 20 175 127 119 152
57 4700 420 61 195 269 21 177 129 120 152
58 4762 425 62 196 270 21 180 130 121 152
59 4833 432 62 199 271 21 182 132 122 152
60 4893 437 64 204 273 21 188 135 125 153
61 4958 444 65 206 275 22 191 137 127 153
62 5039 449 66 209 277 22 194 139 129 153
63 5137 456 67 212 279 22 195 140 131 154
64 5221 465 69 215 282 23 198 142 133 154
65 5287 472 70 218 284 23 201 144 135 154
66 5360 476 70 221 286 23 204 146 135 154
67 5456 484 71 224 288 23 206 148 138 155
68 5555 489 72 225 290 24 207 148 139 155
69 5622 493 73 228 291 24 208 150 141 155
70 5706 502 75 232 293 24 214 152 144 156
71 5790 510 76 233 295 25 216 153 146 156
72 5884 515 76 236 297 25 220 155 148 156
73 5961 520 76 239 298 25 220 156 150 157
74 6029 527 77 242 300 25 223 158 151 157
75 6113 536 78 245 302 26 226 160 153 157
76 6201 544 79 246 304 26 227 160 154 157
77 6295 554 80 249 306 26 227 162 156 158
78 6357 561 81 252 308 27 231 164 158 158
79 6434 569 82 257 310 27 231 166 159 158
80 6494 574 84 262 312 27 237 170 162 159
81 6582 581 84 263 313 28 239 171 164 159
82 6674 590 85 266 315 28 243 173 166 159
Yay... Loyal... Evolved her...so now stage 2 Lif
82 7686 862 106 329 343 31 323 237 187 167
83 7784 871 107 332 345 32 325 239 188 167
Shy
84 7873 878 107 336 346 32 327 242 190 168
85 7970 884 108 339 348 32 327 242 191 168
86 8035 891 109 341 350 33 330 244 192 168
87 8117 900 109 342 351 33 332 244 194 168
88 8202 906 110 344 353 33 334 245 196 168
89 8273 910 111 346 355 33 336 247 198 169
90 8346 917 112 349 356 33 342 250 201 169
91 8426 922 113 352 358 33 344 252 202 169
92 8494 931 113 355 359 34 346 253 204 170
Cordial
93 8554 937 114 357 361 34 348 254 205 170
94 8637 943 115 358 363 34 351 255 206 170
95 8722 952 116 362 366 35 353 257 208 170
96 8799 958 117 363 368 35 356 258 209 170
97 8865 968 118 365 370 35 359 259 211 171
98 8931 972 118 366 371 35 362 260 212 171
99 9029 978 119 368 373 36 364 261 214 171
Yay... Eira! Boo....Aspd change....
99 10640 992 125 382 378 38 384 276 218 155
100 10734 1081 128 388 381 38 393 280 223 157
101 10803 1107 130 394 385 39 399 285 227 159

102 10923 1149 133 400 389 39 403 289 231 161
103 11020 1180 134 408 393 39 407 294 235 162

Lvl HP SP Atk Matk Hit Crit Def Mdef Flee Aspd
103 11020 1180 134 408 393 39 407 294 235 162
---
Dieter/Fuchikoma (Level 110 6/25) (ex Ram-bo,Amistr)
Fuchikoma's Levels (Dieter)

Spoiler

As Lvl 99 loyal Amistr:

Lvl HP SP Atk Matk Hit Crit Def Mdef Flee Aspd
99 15495 511 112 255 337 29 433 208 212 168
converted to Dieter
99 16931 613 114 262 338 31 418 214 214 123
100 17254 721 117 270 341 31 446 221 217 125
101 17698 765 118 275 344 31 449 225 220 127
102 18009 862 120 281 347 31 451 228 223 128
103 18342 917 121 284 349 32 452 229 225 129
104 18631 1008 122 290 352 32 454 232 228 131
105 19033 1092 125 295 356 32 455 234 231 133
106 19365 1181 125 301 359 32 456 238 233 134
107 19754 1264 126 305 362 32 457 240 235 135
108 20114 1317 126 309 364 32 458 243 237 136
109 20576 1412 127 312 366 32 459 243 240 137
110 20981 1528 129 320 370 32 464 249 244 140

Lvl HP SP Atk Matk Hit Crit Def Mdef Flee Aspd
109 20576 1412 127 312 366 32 459 243 240 137 (yay! Lava Slide!!)
110 20981 1528 129 320 370 32 464 249 244 140 holy cow... levelling at (relative to before) Ludicris Speed!

Edited by DatchaRO, 29 August 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[Kadelia]

My Homunculs had really badass stats at 99. She was 185 ASPD on a Vanilmirth and 420 or so MATK, as well as 12k+ hp. Putting it in a stat calc, it seemed I had 150 for all stats.

She hasn't really grown at all since becoming an Eira though, which does hint that I did indeed hit the ceiling early on.

[Laurynthia]

I finally updated the spreasheet of stats for my 131 Dieter, 118 Sera and 99 stats of the remainder:

https://docs.google....cnNaeDlVUHFRblE

[Beemaomao]

my pet's stats hardly incresed any when it lvl from 96 to 97 O_O

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo









QQ

Edited by Beemaomao, 04 June 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[asayuu]

my pet's stats hardly incresed any when it lvl from 96 to 97 O_O

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo









QQ

Pretty much means your homunculus may be close to 150 on almost all stats too.
Vanil huh?

Edited by asayuu, 04 June 2012 - 04:26 PM.

[Beemaomao]

you are right, he is a vani, sorry forgot to mention. i am worry about his low HP.

one question, i read about people say when the homunculus S hits max lvl, all their stats will hit the max too, is that right? or are their stats random like before they change?

[Kadelia]

"Growth" comparison.

[Laurynthia]

you are right, he is a vani, sorry forgot to mention. i am worry about his low HP.

one question, i read about people say when the homunculus S hits max lvl, all their stats will hit the max too, is that right? or are their stats random like before they change?

The HP does look on the low side (Over 3k HP less HP than two of my vanis at 99), however this may not be significant, depending on which homunculus S you plan to turn it into.

A Homunculus S will hit 150 in most stats before it reaches level 150. At 97 your vani appears to have already reached 150 in INT, DEX, LUK and has ~129 STR, 136 AGI, 133 VIT.