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#26 Wiggles

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:20 AM

You're actually kind of a poster child for what's wrong with ymir. Those items are supposed to be so rare that an individual having 1 or even more than 1 is legendary... and you have a "pile".


What a stupid comment.

I played and worked hard for my items. Made them all BEFORE Reset Stones came around. Scraped the pieces together over a period of 6 years. Paid for them with hard earned zeny, making and selling potions every day for years. Until WoE Blue potions got implemented, and now WoE Whites.

How can I be what's wrong with the server. I haven't even logged in for nearly a year. http://ropd.info/?account=1886757
My items are all dead and sitting dormant.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:35 AM

What a stupid comment.

I played and worked hard for my items. Made them all BEFORE Reset Stones came around. Scraped the pieces together over a period of 6 years. Paid for them with hard earned zeny, making and selling potions every day for years. Until WoE Blue potions got implemented, and now WoE Whites.

How can I be what's wrong with the server. I haven't even logged in for nearly a year. http://ropd.info/?account=1886757
My items are all dead and sitting dormant.




actually, the last time you logged was 11 weeks ago.......and i agree with the fact that god items should be rare.........for one person to have a stockpile of them is beyond broken..........
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#28 Kadelia

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:36 AM

What a stupid comment.

I played and worked hard for my items. Made them all BEFORE Reset Stones came around. Scraped the pieces together over a period of 6 years. Paid for them with hard earned zeny, making and selling potions every day for years. Until WoE Blue potions got implemented, and now WoE Whites.

How can I be what's wrong with the server. I haven't even logged in for nearly a year. http://ropd.info/?account=1886757
My items are all dead and sitting dormant.


What a stupid comment.

Just because you player for 6 years (less time than me!) but did more tedious micro-transactions with your wealth you believe you should be a veritable god compared to other people in PVP/WoE/MVP? How is selling things in vendshop "work"? And buying ridiculously cheap items off a bloated server with too many items and too few players "work"? You played the game and made money in the game. Then bought things with the money. I've been pretty wealthy on this game over the years myself, but you know what? I played newer servers that were more balanced, had smaller and more intimate communities, and god pieces were so rare guilds horded them and didn't sell. Iris and Yggsrasil are about 7 years of my 9 year RO career. Because I didn't play an imbalanced over-saturated old as dirt item database but overturned population server I have not had the same opportunities as you to buy pieces of god items. And if I did, I would have lost them when I started fresh on Yggdrasil. The problem, sir, is that people who have played on more balanced servers like Yggdrasil and Valkyrie have played just as long and hard as you, but because their server's economy aren't as stupid as yours, the items have been largely out of their reach or in much smaller quantities than you. You have a sick sense of self-entitlement.

And to crown this post off you're complaining because you might lose stuff on a game you don't even play.

Edited by Jaye, 04 September 2012 - 05:42 AM.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:40 AM

Count me in with the "I think they should offer free transfers to or from Ymir" crowd. I have 2 full accounts of characters on Ymir and there's no way I'm going to pay 80 dollars to move them all. IMHO at least part of the problem stems from when the GM's were going to merge Ymir and Ygg but then caved in to all the people from Ygg complaining about it.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:42 AM

isn't it nice to know that when you support a game for ooh idk 10 years you are a piece of -_- in the eyes of this game because you worked for things. maybe the botters are right maybe we shouldn't work for anything then it wont' matter if they take it away. or they could be fair about it and make a new server and whipe all god items and mvp cards and transfer everyone to that server.
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#31 Kadelia

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:46 AM

they could be fair about it and make a new server and whipe all god items and mvp cards and transfer everyone to that server.

That is what has been proposed and the only thing that has been proposed that involves mandatory god item and mvp card loss.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:48 AM

That is what has been proposed and the only thing that has been proposed that involves mandatory god item and mvp card loss.

that is the only fair solution, even for new people starting the game it makes it easier for them to integrate if it is an even playing field.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:51 AM

That's why it's been proposed as such.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:52 AM

honestly this is what should have happend on the chaos, iris, loki merge
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:57 AM

It's what I proposed for that merge and GMs didn't agree. People like Xellie also didn't agree. And people who are clinging to the server now didn't agree. And they all thought that it would help the game to have all the servers merged and have high population again. Look what happened. exactly what I predicted. When the iris+sakray+chaos+Loki merger was happening I kept ranting about how the merge will only result in a loss of players and there will be too many godlies and too few people. As usual I was right and nobody listened. The same greedy hoarders hat are cropping up now were saying back then they worked too hard for their godlies and wanted to keep them.

The exact same is going to happen again like a mentally deficient groundhog's day, if we merge ygg+valk+ymir without wiping the unbalancing high-tier items (goldies, kiel, gtb, tao gunka, thanatos, etc).

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:57 AM

How about Merging all 3 Server to Vahalla (or insert random name!) and delete all God Items, Part of God Items, MVP & Miniboss cards
and probably even cut down everyones zeny by 90%? (1m Zeny = 10k Zeny)?
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#37 Kadelia

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:58 AM

How about Merging all 3 Server to Vahalla (or insert random name!) and delete all God Items, Part of God Items, MVP & Miniboss cards
and probably even cut down everyones zeny by 90%? (1m Zeny = 10k Zeny)?

I think they would have an even bigger problem wiping mini boss cards because those have been in large part obtained by $irl directly from gravity, some fairly recently.
(referring to MCA)

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:04 AM

I think they would have an even bigger problem wiping mini boss cards because those have been in large part obtained by $irl directly from gravity, some fairly recently.
(referring to MCA)


Shu, you are right!
Well forget the ,,mini boss" card part.

We also have to make sure that the 3 MVP Card's that people won from the OST dont get deleted as well...

Other Option (Trolling alert!!) would be to just add all MVP Cards and Godlikes to the Kafra Shop or to an Lucky Box for a big finally Firework before this game goes to hell :D? (/Trolling alert!!)
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:10 AM

lol.

Anyways at the very least there are a handful of MVP cards (not necessarily all of them) that are super unbalanced. Nerfing the card rather than deleting them would really be more ideal. Like the drawback on tao doesn't work like it did pre-renewal. Before renewal you'd end up taking double damage with the card on, pretty much. Aside from Knights etc, a real def of like ~50 was pretty high. Tao would wipe that back to 0 and you'd take double. If you only had like 40 real def like my champion did, you'd end up with -10 def and not only not get 40% reduction, you'd take +10%, that's again around double damage. Now you end up taking like 20-30% more damage, if that. The effect of the card should change from -50% def to +100% damage from all races. GTB should change from "immunity to magic" to "-100% magic damage from all races" so that its not this omgwtfbbq card against masquerades and shiz and makes you immune to mvp's dispell but does what it says it does (immune to magic damage). Kiel card shouldn't function in mid slot. Stacking 2 of these is kinda dumb.

Stuff like that. I doubt GMs will ever do it though. With the cards nerfed a bit nobody would care if they were merged. Cause with proper nerfs they'd all be kinda like pvm cards just like eddga, moonie, etc are.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:14 AM

lol.

Anyways at the very least there are a handful of MVP cards (not necessarily all of them) that are super unbalanced. Nerfing the card rather than deleting them would really be more ideal. Like the drawback on tao doesn't work like it did pre-renewal. Before renewal you'd end up taking double damage with the card on, pretty much. Now you end up taking like 20-30% more damage. The effect of the card should change from -50% def to +100% damage from all races. GTB should change from "immunity to magic" to "-100% magic damage from all races" so that its not this omgwtfbbq card against masquerades and shiz but does what it says it does (immune to magic damage). Kiel card shouldn't function in mid slot. Stacking 2 of these is kinda dumb.

Stuff like that. I doubt GMs will ever do it though. With the cards nerfed a bit nobody would care if they were merged.



Sadly the iRO GM Team does not have the freedom to do this even if they would like to do that.
Itemscript changes have to be done by kRO and they surely wont do that. Somehow they dont have the problems we do.
Probably cause people there enjoying the game sitting at Pront chating/ Dating(Srsly!) and having fun at PvP more than doing WoE.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:24 AM

Sadly the iRO GM Team does not have the freedom to do this even if they would like to do that.
Itemscript changes have to be done by kRO and they surely wont do that. Somehow they dont have the problems we do.
Probably cause people there enjoying the game sitting at Pront chating/ Dating(Srsly!) and having fun at PvP more than doing WoE.

They have 0.5x drops or something for non-vip where they are and 1x for vip. We have 1x and 1.5x~2x. Their events are +50% items/exp. Ours are 2x exp/drops (for us that can go up to 3x~4x drops, while on kRO that is 1.5x drops). So basically we get god components faster than they do. We had a server (sakray) with perma 2x drops and 20 castles sitting at 100 econ due to a NAP because they knew a merger was happening, farming god items with gum for 3x+ drops on twenty 100-econ castles for weeks, then the gms (this was really stupid) allowed them to trade 2 pieces they didn't want (dupes or like, a bris piece) for a piece they did want (like meg piece) so they got even more god items, and then merged all this into iris which had barely any god items due to being a low rate balanced server. As predicted by me, this destroyed our WoE scene. Then they proceeded to use their unfair monopoly of the server to farm more god items, particularly woe2. God items outnumbered the players pretty much at this point. Then, all of this was merged into ymir. As predicted by me, the godlies situation ruined woe there. Also predicted by me, huge population nosedive within 6 months, just like 'Sakris' had. Over the next 2-3 years, ymir was then farmed into the ground for god items with our ridiculous western drop rates/events/gums. And now you want this merged into Yggdrasil and Valkyrie. You want my prediction on what's going to happen? See previous two merges.

You wonder why kRO doesn't have these problems? Aside from cultural differences, our game's management has done this. With the higher rates, coddling people with facilitating the god item piece swapping, facilitating accelerated creation of items with reset stones and manually rolled (by gms) seals because they wanted more god items created (don't ask me why-- I don't eat enough mushrooms to get in their heads).
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:32 AM

They have 0.5x drops or something for non-vip where they are and 1x for vip. We have 1x and 1.5x~2x. Their events are +50% items/exp. Ours are 2x exp/drops (for us that can go up to 3x~4x drops, while on kRO that is 1.5x drops). So basically we get god components faster than they do. We had a server (sakray) with perma 2x drops and 20 castles sitting at 100 econ due to a NAP because they knew a merger was happening, farming god items with gum for 3x+ drops on twenty 100-econ castles for weeks, then the gms (this was really stupid) allowed them to trade 2 pieces they didn't want (dupes or like, a bris piece) for a piece they did want (like meg piece) so they got even more god items, and then merged all this into iris which had barely any god items due to being a low rate balanced server. As predicted by me, this destroyed our WoE scene. Then they proceeded to use their unfair monopoly of the server to farm more god items, particularly woe2. God items outnumbered the players pretty much at this point. Then, all of this was merged into ymir. As predicted by me, the godlies situation ruined woe there. Also predicted by me, huge population nosedive within 6 months, just like 'Sakris' had. Over the next 2-3 years, ymir was then farmed into the ground for god items with our ridiculous western drop rates/events/gums. And now you want this merged into Yggdrasil and Valkyrie. You want my prediction on what's going to happen? See previous two merges.

You wonder why kRO doesn't have these problems? Aside from cultural differences, our game's management has done this. With the higher rates, coddling people with facilitating the god item piece swapping, facilitating accelerated creation of items with reset stones and manually rolled (by gms) seals because they wanted more god items created (don't ask me why-- I don't eat enough mushrooms to get in their heads).


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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:45 AM

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:47 AM

My original reaction when I would see these threads is "Just delete the whole server already, euthanasia is the answer!"

Then I have to reflect on how would I feel if I was apart of that community. I would probably suggest a merger with all god item/MVP wipe, but individual freebie transfers would not be a good solution. Then it could become a play ground for people trafficing items for profit to and from ymir as well as become a tremendous undertaking for the iRO staff. It would probably have to come with a hefty forewarning so people aren't scammed with God Equip/MVP card sales before the merger or make them account bound until Merger day.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:11 AM

My original reaction when I would see these threads is "Just delete the whole server already, euthanasia is the answer!"

Then I have to reflect on how would I feel if I was apart of that community. I would probably suggest a merger with all god item/MVP wipe, but individual freebie transfers would not be a good solution. Then it could become a play ground for people trafficing items for profit to and from ymir as well as become a tremendous undertaking for the iRO staff. It would probably have to come with a hefty forewarning so people aren't scammed with God Equip/MVP card sales before the merger or make them account bound until Merger day.


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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

My original reaction when I would see these threads is "Just delete the whole server already, euthanasia is the answer!"

Then I have to reflect on how would I feel if I was apart of that community. I would probably suggest a merger with all god item/MVP wipe, but individual freebie transfers would not be a good solution. Then it could become a play ground for people trafficing items for profit to and from ymir as well as become a tremendous undertaking for the iRO staff. It would probably have to come with a hefty forewarning so people aren't scammed with God Equip/MVP card sales before the merger or make them account bound until Merger day.


It's not even worth mvping on any server right now. Good chance all that stuff will get wiped in the not so distant future. God items too. Leaving that option open just kills all high level play because no one wants to put a lot of time in and just have it removed shortly after. Better to farm zeny/things that surely won't get wiped and hang onto them for an inevitable merger.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:37 AM

It's not even worth mvping on any server right now. Good chance all that stuff will get wiped in the not so distant future. God items too. Leaving that option open just kills all high level play because no one wants to put a lot of time in and just have it removed shortly after. Better to farm zeny/things that surely won't get wiped and hang onto them for an inevitable merger.


What if they come up with an zeny cut idea?

I mentioned it above earlier: cut everyones zeny by 90%.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:46 AM

It's not deleting zeny having 10b zeny and having it turn into 1b is a lot better than having 20 god items and 20 mvp cards and having it turn into 0 zeny.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:53 AM

Anything that wipes any one player's work will likely result in people leaving iRO. So many people speak of it so lightly. The solution isn't easy. I know the GM's have a tough job to do with resolving the Ymir issue.

If you cut the zeny by 90% what do you think people would do? You have to give some kind of warning. And then, everyone would go and DC items at 24%. Then OC the items at 24% when they were on the new server. Let's say an item cost 1000z.

They buy it at 760. Then sell it for 620.

That one item, can hold 30k of ea in storage. That's 22.8mil. spent to transfer 18.6mil. That isn't a 90% loss. The only people losing the 90% are the ones who don't frequent current events or the ones not looking to get the upper hand on each event. The legit people. The ones first to leave when they feel they've been wronged.

The sad thing about wiping mvp/god items is that WP has endorsed making it easy to get them. A lot of the time, it involved buying KP. So I feel bad for the people that put in the effort and WPE into them, only for a wipe to be mentioned as a solution. No clear cut answer. All I know is that in the end, not everyone will be happy with the decision.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:54 AM

Witherless roses and 3c diamonds

Also yes the worst part in all this is that the GM's SPECIFICALLY endorsed making god items and mvp cards much easier to get and now its a problem because there are too many. It's their fault entirely 100%. They'll just walk off with all the money they got from gum and reset stones and say wups too bad dead server.

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