Cleric requirement for CD

http://forums.warppo...opic/149887-hi/

I've made a thread half year ago regarding the flawed design of ROSE evo where this game basically have the cleric class as main driving force. I made a suggestion for PvM without nerfing the cleric buffs/heals, but I couldn't think of a solution regarding Cleric requirement for CD other than putting a buff stage, even with a buff stage available in CD it would just be a partial fix, the side with a supportive cleric will always have a clear advantage, I came to the conclusion that "For a small scale PvP games 10 vs 10 such as CD or 5 vs 5 such as DP, a balanced number of clerics queue system must be implemented."


The game right now (PvM wise) basically is already implemented with the auto pick up HP/MP/Clan point system, I just wonder if Leonis will continue with my proposal made in that thread where, you could get buffs after killing stuff, they will also be auto pick up as well.

Buuf on pick-up from killing monsters is actually solved by the proc'ing system for classes who have them. or atleast it seems that way to me

 

Ummm since I didn't feel like reading 4 other pages...the first page had the life steal passive idea that I....just...like can spear champs PLS have a life steal or something because clerics don't really heal a class if they are "useless" to them most of the time.  But I think the cleric system is fine however, I don't think people realize how costy and how much work it takes to actually USE a cleric and I think that giving clerics a little bit more leasure when it comes to buffs and actually have an npc buffer because rebuffing someone right when they come back or waiting for someone to spawn can take up a ton of time and makes cd a lot slower.  Just my opinion.

I will sincerely and honestly advice you and the DEV Team to remove and delete the Cleric class because the way few of you arguing is not going to develop the cleric class. In fact, it will force the cleric class to shy away from being playing than more than ever before. Playing the cleric class is not fun. We play the cleric class because we want to support others, but if we take a closer look, we are not supporting anything when we are being turn to the slaves, which everyone try to step on. We have no attack power (even BC has very moderate attacking power). Our defenses are barely enough until other players surround us. Our pet costs lot of skill points, which we do not have. Worse, the pet is so weak and unable to do anything. If the cleric class is overpower, why do we have very few clerics in game and war? If you said playing the cleric is easy or overpower, why do you not make one, play it, and stop complaining about the lack of it in war?

***Just a friendly reminder, Cleric is part of GRAVITY'S assets. By deleting the cleric class, you will also deleting part of GRAVITY'S assets. Will the company survive especially when it is already in trouble, will ROSE still remain open? That would be interesting to find out.***

Now, turn to raider and scout. If those classes are moderate and at the right level of adjustment at the moment, then why do majority of you play those two classes, not the cleric? Face it, majority of you play those two classes because you think those two give you the highest percentage of winning and highest number of kills ? Is that not overpower?

What do I suggest? Cut the attack speed of raider by half (yes, by half). Adjust the critical rate and attack speed of scout to the lower level. Increase the defense again status change for cleric. Increase the reward points for cleric. These 4 steps will encourage the cleric class return to CD and solve the problem of no or lacking cleric in CD/war.

Edited by ChampPower, 24 August 2014 - 09:22 PM.

I will sincerely and honestly advice you and the DEV Team to remove and delete the Cleric class because the way few of you arguing is not going to develop the cleric class. In fact, it will force the cleric class to shy away from being playing than ever before. Playing the cleric class is not fun. We play the cleric class because we want to support others, but if we take a closer look, we are not supporting anything when we are being turn to the slaves, which everyone try to step on. We have no attack power (even BC has very moderate attacking power). Our defenses are barely enough until other players surround us. Our pet costs lot of skill points, which we do not have. Worse, the pet is so weak and unable to do anything. If the cleric class is overpower, why do we have very few clerics I. Game and war? If you said playing the cleric is easy or overpower, why do you not make one, play it, and stop complaining about the lack of it in war?
***Just a friendly reminder, Cleric is part of GRAVITY'S assets. By deleting the cleric class, you will also deleting part of GRAVITY'S assets. Will the company survive especially when it is already in trouble, will ROSE still remain open? That would be interesting to find out.***

Now, turn to raider and scout. If those classes are moderate and at the right level of adjustment at the moment, then why do majority of you play those two classes, not the cleric? Face it, majority of you play those two classes because you think those two give you the highest percentage of winning and highest number of kills ? Is that not overpower?

What do I suggest? Cut the attack speed of raider by half (yes, by half). Adjust the critical rate and attack speed of scout to the lower level. Increase the defense again status change for cleric. Increase the reward points for cleric. These 3 steps will encourage the cleric class return to CD and solve the problem of no or lacking cleric in CD/war.

 

Your proposals towards the raiders + scouts [being off topic aside] are rediculous. Just because you have a personal vendetta against those classes does not make them over powered. Most people playing raiders? No. I wouldn't think so. There's actually a rather large spread of classes now. 

 

As for you constantly stating that I'm trying to kill the cleric class. If I wanted to do that, I would make proposals like you make towards raider, cut def 50% blah blah. No, if anything, I'm saying "Allow food, so clerics can focus heal themselves a bit more often to survive longer and get more points, but since food is strong reduce CD heals 5%". 

How many more times are you going to suggest that scout/raider nerf? It's been months and several topics you've been trying to hammer the hawker class into uselessness, despite the majority of people thinking they're rather well balanced (and scouts even somewhat underwhelming to some).

How many more times are you going to suggest that scout/raider nerf? It's been months and several topics you've been trying to hammer the hawker class into uselessness, despite the majority of people thinking they're rather well balanced (and scouts even somewhat underwhelming to some).

 

I typed a response in regards to that, but I backspaced all of them, I'm really tired to do that nonsense over and over again, I even feel sorry for him lol.

I typed a response in regards to that, but I backspaced all of them, I'm really tired to do that nonsense over and over again, I even feel sorry for him lol.

I guess so, it's been like ten times already and I still don't know wether he's trolling or actually serious about it.

Then make your own cleric, play, and stop complain about the the use of food, healing, or the lack of cleric. Am I trolling about the raider and scout? What do you think when majority of people in war use those two classes? Lot of clerics pull out of war because of fact; the fact of how underpowered the cleric class is; and the fact of being the low reward / high stress class. Is that the truth? If it is not, why do you people come here and complain about the lack of cleric, the lack of healing, and the need of using healing potion in war? Face it, the number of cleric participations in war/CD will NOT improve with your way of thinking. The change in requirement will also not helping you nor increase the participation of cleric. The requirement will only turn the status of CD from partially active to being near dead.

Edited by ChampPower, 24 August 2014 - 09:16 PM.

Why dont you make a raider / champ / scout and see how hard it is to not suck. Seriously, some people I know have spent 100$'s of $'s and billions and billions just to gear their char, and have played them for years straight to get that good. 

Why dont you make a raider / champ / scout and see how hard it is to not suck. Seriously, some people I know have spent 100$'s of $'s and billions and billions just to gear their char, and have played them for years straight to get that good.

I already did. I like to play cleric, but I have all classes. How long do you think I have played ROSE?

Atleast a few years, cause i remember you being a forum troll back then. 

anyways back on topic, maybe a poll is in order to bring back the requirement or not.

Why dont you make a raider / champ / scout and see how hard it is to not suck. Seriously, some people I know have spent 100$'s of $'s and billions and billions just to gear their char, and have played them for years straight to get that good. 

I honestly feel people need to really try to be one of these classes starting from scratch and come back tell me how easy it is to NOT SUCK

if u want to become pro u need dragon summon lol. . . GAME DEVELOPER ANY ANNOUNCEMENT?? make some improvement. . . i have question whos the best cleric in dragonis? in leonis?

I suggested to give a slightly better reward for the cleric. Example the quest reward 30 point increase to 32 or 35. Maybe it will attract  more cleric to join CD.

 

 

 

 

personally i think we get good rewards. i find myself having to spend the honor points on my cleric because they stack up so quickly, especially now that the maximum amount of points you can obtain is 200 and not 100.

regarding clerics..we are so not underpowered or weak. with a good build you can tank pretty dam well. most times I survive longer than my team mates. its stressful..in a fun way. people who cant handle the responsibility should not play a cleric..

there seems to be a lot of division regarding opinions of classes. people saying raiders suck or that clerics suck, I have seen people who play these classes so well.. maybe you're just a bad player most players have learnt to adapt to these skill changes without a problem but then there are people who still complain.. just because you can't play a class properly doesn't mean it's the class's fault. stop trying to get the devs to baby proof the game for you

Edited by Squipy, 25 August 2014 - 02:55 AM.

I think clerics get enough as rewards in CD. They still are at the top of the leaderboard.

And again, this thread was not supposed to question the strength and balance of Clerics, it got posted in order to get the cleric requirement in again to make pvp games more balanced.

 

If they are or are not leading the scoreboard or if they are or are not balanced was not the sense of this - it was just the question to make pvp games more enetertaining.

 

So please skip posting how strong or hard to play the class is, or if their points-system is fair - write if you agree or disagree and nothing more, thanks.

 

Posted Today, 11:34 AM

I suggested to give a slightly better reward for the cleric. Example the quest reward 30 point increase to 32 or 35. Maybe it will attract  more cleric to join CD.

 

 

Posted Today, 02:30 PM

I think clerics get enough as rewards in CD. They still are at the top of the leaderboard.

 

Posted Today, 10:42 AM

if u want to become pro u need dragon summon lol. . . GAME DEVELOPER ANY ANNOUNCEMENT?? make some improvement. . . i have question whos the best cleric in dragonis? in leonis?

etc. must be hard to read the first post, right?

Problem: un-balanced teams

Cause: Clerics [lack of]

Fixes are being proposed, but in order to get a solid fix proposed, you have to discuss the hindrances that are being caused, which involves class strength discussions. 

then suggest cleric changes/balances in a cleric thread not in a thread where something else gets discussed?

They're directly linked matt, and spreading it to two topics will only cause confusion. 

Edit: Ok my last post shoulda been rephrased, discussing class mechanics of the cleric* is necessary, proposing scout + raiders nerfs is jsut stupid and off topic. 

Edited by Feuer, 25 August 2014 - 12:34 PM.

this thread is based on the current situation - changing this situation should be done in the class related forum part in a thread moderated by its class representatives. =)

out of the 8+ cleric reps, hardly more then 2-3 are even active. 

this thread is based on the current situation - changing this situation should be done in the class related forum part in a thread moderated by its class representatives. =)

 

Why? Aren't the players that are not class reps allowed to chime in with their ideas? Are we some kind of elite group? I am sorry, but if this thread should be moved anywhere, is should be moved to the class discussion section, not the class rep section.