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#101 Mayhem

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 10:46 AM

People who are bothered with this will always find their way doing it.


That is the thought that ruined this game.
People thinking that there will always be away of doing it, bots, cheating, hacking, and therefore it shouldnt matter.

Sure with that mentality that some people have we might as well give up and let everything be legal.....surely is a good way to think
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#102 Myzery

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 10:53 AM

That's called life.

Some people will do whatever to get ahead.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:02 AM

Client Edition = dont have b*** to play a 2d game.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:12 AM

I would compare greyworld to the removal of the sword bug. Gets rid of all that unnecessary stuff and allows for much more clean gameplay and less misclicks.

I've heard plenty of people say they have no idea why someone would want to use it. Most of them do not grasp game mechanics very well, and it's true that it won't really benefit those players. This is aesthetics vs functionality. The two kinds of players are usually pretty distinguishable.

 

The chaos thing is a joke/call out on someone who wants this illegal, when it would have prevented misclicks that made this person think they kept on getting chaosed.

 

But yeah, the game sure is playable without greyworld, but for those who desire to play the best of their abilities (in a completely clean way minus the hiding behind walls that everyone cares so much about), greyworld is quite attractive.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:33 AM

But yeah, the game sure is playable without greyworld, but for those who desire to play the best of their abilities (in a completely clean way minus the hiding behind walls that everyone cares so much about), greyworld is quite attractive.

If someone needs or wants graymaps to perform at "the best of their abilities" then their abilities is below n00b level.
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#106 squirreI

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:35 AM

If someone needs or wants graymaps to perform at "the best of their abilities" then their abilities is below n00b level.

 

I can think of a player this applies to hahahaha.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 01:59 PM

That is the thought that ruined this game.
People thinking that there will always be away of doing it, bots, cheating, hacking, and therefore it shouldnt matter.

Sure with that mentality that some people have we might as well give up and let everything be legal.....surely is a good way to think

 

Its not really that "thought" that ruined this game. Its because of these people who actually did those exploit. Not just thinking about it. If I thought it shouldn't matter, I wouldn't have made any remark. Making generalized assumption =/= my stands.

 

From the post you quoted, I mentioned that "cosmetic" is to vague. Thus CM or GM didn't think(I think) thoroughly on how they should define "cosmetic" edits. Some of the players are just eager to look for exploit. And when its poorly written, they'll always try to find loophole. 

 

Without further detail on matter from "officials", these type of debate will do nothing but cause drama. Like how it quickly turned into one. Hence why I mentioned on how poorly it was defined. When making rules on something important, its not a good idea to give a single example because not everyone is going to apply that correctly. Happens a lot in college when they see their first assignment. They'll understand it in their favor. Same goes to this. Unless there are firm understanding on what is allowed and what is not, there will always be people who think its okay. Even after establishing such detail, it would be REALLY hard to scan out who is editing map grf. 


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:22 PM

I would compare greyworld to the removal of the sword bug. Gets rid of all that unnecessary stuff and allows for much more clean gameplay and less misclicks.

I've heard plenty of people say they have no idea why someone would want to use it. Most of them do not grasp game mechanics very well, and it's true that it won't really benefit those players. This is aesthetics vs functionality. The two kinds of players are usually pretty distinguishable.

 

The chaos thing is a joke/call out on someone who wants this illegal, when it would have prevented misclicks that made this person think they kept on getting chaosed.

 

But yeah, the game sure is playable without greyworld, but for those who desire to play the best of their abilities (in a completely clean way minus the hiding behind walls that everyone cares so much about), greyworld is quite attractive.

 

Or you could just stop being bad and learn to play the game the way it was made instead of changing it to suit your lesser abilities and for fill arbitrary conditions that you've made up. It's like playing solitaire and adding peeking into the rules.

 

"gaiz I was just trolling"

 

Basically, squirrel is being a jerk deliberately! 

I have a condition that causes tremors and I misclick a lot because of it. That doesn't mean I don't know the difference between being Chaosed or not, but it does mean that my mouse is often moved out of the correct spot. I usually correct it very fast, but still. Stream doesn't show when I click. I know when. I do a thousand times better than he would in the same circumstances, I'm sure enough of that.

 

So I'll ask you once squirrel, drop it. If you're only going to post to troll/bully over a comment made once on stream over a year ago, that's pretty low.
 


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#109 squirreI

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:32 PM

Or you could just stop being bad and learn to play the game the way it was made instead of changing it to suit your lesser abilities and for fill arbitrary conditions that you've made up. It's like playing solitaire and adding peeking into the rules.

"gaiz I was just trolling"

Basically, squirrel is being a jerk deliberately!
I have a condition that causes tremors and I misclick a lot because of it. That doesn't mean I don't know the difference between being Chaosed or not, but it does mean that my mouse is often moved out of the correct spot. I usually correct it very fast, but still. Stream doesn't show when I click. I know when. I do a thousand times better than he would in the same circumstances, I'm sure enough of that.

So I'll ask you once squirrel, drop it. If you're only going to post to troll/bully over a comment made once on stream over a year ago, that's pretty low.


Made up? I think you're forgetting something. I'm the expert here. What I am providing is true.

Also I'm pretty sure I remember very clearly seeing the misclick and then hearing "I keep getting chaosed". No tremors there.

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#110 PervySageMarty

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:33 PM

Sorry Xellie that i am requesting a mod to enhance my eye oggling perverted experience in this game.

 

Back on topic, seriously, can the CM's tell us whether its illegal and they will ban it to end this ridiculous discussion?


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:39 PM

Made up? I think you're forgetting something. I'm the expert here. What I am providing is true.

Also I'm pretty sure I remember very clearly seeing the misclick and then hearing "I keep getting chaosed". No tremors there.

 

GVGs are arbitrary made up rules, WoE is about a lot of things, such as terrain management and econ. Stealth and invisible chars are part of that. I'm so sorry you're locked into such a tiny part of the game that you think its OKAY to invalidate all others.

 

Not that you'd know all you do is use the items I make.

 

How can you "see the misclick" there's no visual cue? confirmation bias is real and you're just posting to stir up trouble. If you seriously have nothing to contribute without it being a veil for harassment, do everyone a favour. Leave.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:40 PM

legal until this is changed since this is the intended use of the edit in basically every forum its provided on or when recommended from another player

if you honestly dont like it put pressure on gravity to improve alt + d so people wont need to use greyworld in order to play the game at a reasonable frame rate

  • Certain Edits that help with client performance

Ex. Remove Shake, Remove Hallucination


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:59 PM

Made up? I think you're forgetting something. I'm the expert here. What I am providing is true.

Also I'm pretty sure I remember very clearly seeing the misclick and then hearing "I keep getting chaosed". No tremors there.

 

Dude, back off seriously. There is already way too much toxicity on these forums and you are proving just that. Quit being a jerk. If you have some valid criticism to post, then post it but don't go around posting personal attacks on people. Okay, thanks. >__>


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:18 PM

I was able to play WOE with effects back in 2005~2011 using a 400mb memory ram /bad internet and a pentium 4.

 

 


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#115 PervySageMarty

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:46 PM

I was able to play WOE with effects back in 2005~2011 using a 400mb memory ram /bad internet and a pentium 4.

 

It feels in my honest opinion, that RO seems to be worser the more updated and spanking new parts your computer is and the better your internet is.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:56 PM

It feels in my honest opinion, that RO seems to be worser the more updated and spanking new parts your computer is and the better your internet is.

 

maybe... hahahaha

 

fraps used to be better on my 400mb computer than my i5 6400 8gb memory ram.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:58 PM

I remember playing RO on a 32mb ram computer. I took 5-20 minutes to load prontera sometimes especially laggy during the first christmas event. They had to make a /snow command for users like me with junk computers. LOL


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#118 Mayhem

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:31 PM

Pretty much. Honestly wish a few of them would be banned. They like to troll endless through just about every post. Try not to hold it against them correy. I mean we have to just assume they will die when the zombies come.
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#119 squirreI

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:32 PM

Who's getting hazed?
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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:57 PM

this is great
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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:38 PM

Knock it off with Prize Medal thing, no this is not great. What that got to do with this thread anyway?
squirreI, are you out of constructive points to share?

 

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A couple posts had to go, keep it civil and within topic or your post will be gone.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:05 PM

Knock it off with Prize Medal thing, no this is not great. What that got to do with this thread anyway?
squirreI, are you out of constructive points to share?

 

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A couple posts had to go, keep it civil and within topic or your post will be gone.

 

Thread like this will never end well haha :p_idea: :p_hi:
 


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:06 PM

I would compare greyworld to the removal of the sword bug. Gets rid of all that unnecessary stuff and allows for much more clean gameplay and less misclicks.

I've heard plenty of people say they have no idea why someone would want to use it. Most of them do not grasp game mechanics very well, and it's true that it won't really benefit those players. This is aesthetics vs functionality. The two kinds of players are usually pretty distinguishable.

I'm sorry, but in no competitive game do you see a bunch of cells which explicitly state which ones are walkable and which aren't, and no game ever allows you to bypass vision restrictions created by terrain. It's there for a reason. That familiarity with terrain is supposed to come with experience. If you want to misclick less, learn which cells aren't walkable. The terrain is a most integral part of the game, and just taking it off and playing the game on a checkerboard shouldn't be allowed.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:27 PM

legal until this is changed since this is the intended use of the edit in basically every forum its provided on or when recommended from another player

if you honestly dont like it put pressure on gravity to improve alt + d so people wont need to use greyworld in order to play the game at a reasonable frame rate

  • Certain Edits that help with client performance

Ex. Remove Shake, Remove Hallucination

wat. people have FPS issues with RO? I know hallucination has a bug which drops fps, but as far as I am aware, terrain does not affect fps at all. And even if it does, the effect will be very small. Is there something I'm missing here?

Also RO is over a decade old, unless there is a bug, pretty much every computer should be to handle it with good fps.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:33 PM

I'm sorry, but in no competitive game do you see a bunch of cells which explicitly state which ones are walkable and which aren't, and no game ever allows you to bypass vision restrictions created by terrain. It's there for a reason. That familiarity with terrain is supposed to come with experience. If you want to misclick less, learn which cells aren't walkable. The terrain is a most integral part of the game, and just taking it off and playing the game on a checkerboard shouldn't be allowed.


This.

I don't get why people can't play the damn game how it's supposed to be played. No rcx, no grf edits, no 3pps. "QoL" is such a pathetic excuse, if anything these tools just help you cover up your inexperience.

P.S. My comment isn't directed at any specific player.
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