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#126 Xellie

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:14 PM

You know, it's funny that RO has to create rules for their game mechanics. Most rules in MMOs or video games in general is "don't be a dick to each other and don't cheat with 3rd party mods."

 

Being a dick is apparently fine tho. Or was. Or something. Maybe they're making an effort to step it up on toxic behaviour, we'll see.

 

Here's the worse part about these rules. THEY CHANGE and are never set in stone. 10 years ago No Emblem was a legit strategy and then it was made illegal.

 

Thank you for mentioning that. I was so sick of being called a liar for remembering it.


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#127 Xellie

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:15 PM

To sum it up though: Real cheats aren't enforceble.

 

BM/Rude behaviour such as using portals or changing emblem colours is enforceable, but mostly only if the person broadcasts themselves doing it. Whilst everyone is autopotting, you're punishing people who CANT SENT AN EMBLEM BECAUSE OF CLIENT ISSUES.

 

Figure it out.


Edited by Xellie, 19 October 2016 - 01:16 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:23 PM

You are preaching to the choir on this. Though with the magnifier example they really are blocked on the map(well the skill they use is). So its not a rule but a hard limited mechanic. They shouldn't work. This is the perfect example of things that need to be included in the next run of "Things that bother you." Ideally I would prefer a game where players can't make reports because the bad stuff can't happen. Much of our wish list to the studio is along this line of thought but until such time as they create and update such things we have to deal with the game as we have it not as we want it to be.

 
I understand that it can be frustrating that you have to set these standards. But you're being unrealistic.

iRO is a pretty big melting pot and there are even those who don't speak English.

And eventually you'll have more players becoming head hunters because they caught someone cheating. RO players reporting RO players from the opposing guild in WoE. This is the culture that's been created and even I'm not sure how you can properly manage something like this.

I still enjoy RO for what it is but I can't help but wonder why you continue to add more work for yourself and your staff members. You need work on fixing one problem at a time rather then finding a general plan for all of them. I think the first step is to create a more friendly environment for iRO.

Edited by Demeris, 19 October 2016 - 01:26 PM.

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#129 Xellie

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:25 PM

"you're lucky you're not banned because of the amount of reports levelled against you" - wp staff.


Edited by Xellie, 19 October 2016 - 01:25 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:43 PM

I just wish there was a comprehensive understanding among all of the people who handle tickets. I understand when you have to train new members, but for staff that have been there for a very long time, it is a shame that they are not consistent on the rules or procedures.


Edited by Myzery, 19 October 2016 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:00 AM

Oh ain't that the truth. It's almost like Myzery was trolling me about the occasional portal recall I do during that client edits thread, then KamiKali was quoting things I said to him on skype in the thread, then you make a list of rules, some of which were made specifically regarding situations involving her. It's like.... people on skype were talking to each other or something.

Well It's like I told Jordan. I could always just not stream, since basically unenforceable otherwise rules just get created ;) and then it creates extra workload for the GM team.
I mean, classic just looks terrible because of the empty castles and harassment anyway so it's no loss.

Your focus is just in the wrong places. The focus should be on the stuff like MP hacks, or autopot (and my videos were more than clear so please don't) rather than silly things like portal recall which is spellbreakable (just FYI) and even on stream I now need to step away from the portal to recall/hide/cloak because hide and cloak don't have text cues.

When stuff like the following video happens, I don't see why I should have to video/stream everything to defend myself.



Why you never just stream your lovely face for me to see!?! Nobody would complain then. hue hue hue.

On topic though its hard to justify that CM's and GM's are being impartial to everybody since everyones got the notion that they are important, even I see myself like that (with due reason! Some AB's just dont stop trying to 1UP me without realizing I will beat them in any aspect). Its even worse when they ask for suggestions on things and you see that the most usual "elitest" posters are the ones whose ideas go through whereas your ones arent ever mentioned nor even casually skimmed at. I for one do agree however its just our own self gratification clouding our eyes.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:03 AM

I just wish there was a comprehensive understanding among all of the people who handle tickets. I understand when you have to train new members, but for staff that have been there for a very long time, it is a shame that they are not consistent on the rules or procedures.


This is why it is importantnfor workplaces to retrain staff at certain intervals so they can read P&P's, at least the most updated ones.
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#133 Xellie

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:30 AM

The reason they're allowing client edits is because they can't fairly enforce it unless the user videos/streams/screenshots themselves doing it.
 
But portal casting with intent falls under the exact same problems, by Campitor's own admission,
 

[...] My real concern as player/producer is that this may be a rule that only affects those who live stream as it is otherwise very hard to prove intention on a portal cast.


but that affects all of about.... idk how many people stream iRO WoE? Two? If even two.
 

Please note the phrasing on the prohibition. It is the intentional portal casting what this means is the test is far higher than merely having portal casted or having the appearance of portal casting. The evidence should prove an intentional decision to repeatably portal cast. The GMs should not be banning in the situation provided.

And I can tell you first hand this is literally bs. They should not be but they will be.

 

Example:

Valhalla obviously has many guilds and recallers (vaihalla vaihaiia etc) and I own most but not all. They all have different emblems for purposes of knowing if we're in the right one, etc. It's a lot easier to identify "the purple one" or "the red one" than "the sinx one" or "The other sinx one"

 

And by occasion, we'll have someone wandering around in one of the alts guilds, owned by me or not, because they don't want to get recalled, because they logged on late, because they're emo, because they want to econ raid things.... whatever.

 

A couple of months ago I soloyolo'd an alliance. On my recaller sinx. In the purple guild. Someone else then wandered in on the alt guild and soloyolo'd them. They got sad and got reported, I got suspended for using a different emblem to the one I had... not realizing what guild they were in or even if they did it.

 

So don't ask me or anyone else to have faith in the GM team and what they "should" do.

You're talking to someone who's got a ticket going on for pages arguing about being suspended because of a client error and until the GM team sucks it up and accepts what happened, this argument I'm having with them, that they want me to have here, with you, is going to go on forever because I do not want to see anyone else get the same bs treatment.

 

so no "they should not" - they do. And they justify it.


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Posted 28 October 2016 - 03:41 AM

 

Economic Activity

  • Use of Bots to Vend is prohibited
  • Use of Bots to Buy is prohibited

 

I think this need be review.

 

It is a delicate subject that no one likes to talk for fear of being banned.
 
But I believe that GM has an open mind and will understand my opinion.
 
During the day it happens many times as disconnect and Gravity Error. With this, you have to manually log in, put all the items in the store, put the price, open the store and suddenly disconnect again. Guess who has more than 1 shop ...
 
Review the use of Bots to put shop but with some conditions such as:
 
 - You can not reconnect automatically.
 - Can not open shop automatically.
 - Can not walk, pick up items, use kafra, buy items in other stores or NPC, to trade, to accept group invitation, accept clan invitation, attack monsters, that is, everything is automated.
 
The person will have a lighter PC to run other things during use. (Some can not open more than one client)
Facilitates the process within the game. The game is already MMO but need not be when you sell ...
 
Thus keeping always open stores on the server and directly helps to circulate money.

The only downside I see is teach the person to use Bot and unfortunately, as the human being is biased, it may occur to use for other purposes that are harmful to the game.

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Posted 29 October 2016 - 01:50 PM

These "rules" are not enforced in both directions. I highly suggest the community have a talk about it.


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Posted 01 November 2016 - 04:44 AM

These "rules" are not enforced in both directions. I highly suggest the community have a talk about it.


its okay Xellie I'll be the new mod ;). When you see VmodBigMac posting it will be about bringing justice to the community haha

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Posted 02 November 2016 - 06:14 AM

well thats certainly better than me being a vmod and being called......
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Posted 27 November 2016 - 08:33 PM

this topic forgot to list greyworld as prohibited. 


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Posted 27 November 2016 - 08:58 PM

If Ragial doesn't getting banned because it's beneficial to public, why a public bot buffer does?
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Posted 28 November 2016 - 05:55 AM

Because ragial got permission from WP
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Posted 29 November 2016 - 12:58 AM

Because ragial got permission from WP


Thx for making me reiterating the question. Why Ragial is permit while public buffer not?
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Posted 29 November 2016 - 06:26 AM

Thx for making me reiterating the question. Why Ragial is permit while public buffer not?


Thanks for making me repeat my answer. Because ragial got permission from WP and public buffers did not
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Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:53 PM

Thx vmod for ninaja'd post while letting one trolling one around.
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:10 AM

@VModCinnamon said "Ragial do have permission from Warpportal to function in-game under strict supervision."
Still doesn't answer my question, WHY Ragial is permitted but public buffers not?

Only someone with reading comprehension answer plz thx.
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:23 AM

@VModCinnamon said "Ragial do have permission from Warpportal to function in-game under strict supervision."
Still doesn't answer my question, WHY Ragial is permitted but public buffers not?

Only someone with reading comprehension answer plz thx.

 

Good question, there is more behind it so I'd rather have CM's comment on that.


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:49 AM

My opinion: There are no good alternatives to ragial. (Window shopper catalogs are not a good alternative.)

Buff bots could be replaced by NPCs if Gravity so desired. Why haven't they? You'll need to ask them. I'd imagine it might have something to do with supplanting a time-honored tradition (asking your friendly human neighborhood priest for a buff).
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:53 AM

They just need to add coordinates to this. https://forums.warpp...checker-on-kro/
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 01:11 AM

There are no good alternatives to ragial.

Ragial isn't necessary to begin with.

How can WP police so called "strict supervision" on ragial to be certain that ragial doesn't operate hidden agenda?

WP has access to ragial source code? Guess not.
WP has access to machine running ragial bot? Guess not.
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 01:18 AM

Many things aren't necessary. So?

Why would they need to have access when every meaningful activity it can do in game is logged?
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 01:18 AM

Hey ren, you should put ragial on vacation for a week or two, lets see how unecessary it is lol
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