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#101 Gabrielr04

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:58 AM

Whaaat, but wizards are super easy to lvl! If it were a Sage for example i would understand it since it usually takes way more than for a Wiz
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:04 AM

i find both just fine to lvl. Wizz has a tiny bit better time in some TIs, but sage isnt too far behind
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:15 AM

If you're not on Eden Gears without a Phen, it's acutally not difficult to level a wizard. In fact, its easier than a lot of classes, and everybody will want you in their Low TI parties. Sages are another story, but not as terrible, though, and once you're a scholar, everybody will want you as an SP Battery for their TI parties as well. XD

 

But if you're on Eden gears, it'll be hard. But doable nonetheless. See Fuyukikun's signature for places to level. He made a great leveling guide.

 

The struggle will begin after you're a level 150 Warlock. XD My first character was a warlock, and it took me 6~7 months to max level him. The second one took ~3 months to level 170, then I stopped leveling him. He's 172 now purely on killing Bakonawas and Celine Kimis.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:57 PM

When leveling as a mage, increase nothing but int. Dont increse any other stat, not until you have 99 int. When i rebirthed my wizard, i poured nothing but int for the next 67 levels. I was killing things with just an arc wand and adventure suit. I didnt even touch dex till i was a hwiz. Cast SG vl1 to freeze a mob, then JT all of them one by one. It would start getting harder in the 90s but at least you are powerful in the early game.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:00 AM

When leveling as a mage, increase nothing but int. Dont increse any other stat, not until you have 99 int. When i rebirthed my wizard, i poured nothing but int for the next 67 levels. I was killing things with just an arc wand and adventure suit. I didnt even touch dex till i was a hwiz. Cast SG vl1 to freeze a mob, then JT all of them one by one. It would start getting harder in the 90s but at least you are powerful in the early game.

 

This pretty much for people with little gears.

Also do not forget to grab some vit if you want to level in TI.

~50 base vit is a pretty good value to keep you alive/not oneshotted in TI if you don't have good damage reduction gears.

Having Safety Wall to protect yourself is also really useful.

Your main role in low TI as Wiz is to keep your party alive by freezing things (this is even more true if people in your party are mostly eden geared). Your secondary role is to deal AoE damage.

You do not have to use SG 10 for those things, just go with a level where you can easily keep up SG - if that is only SG 5, stick to SG 5.

If there is a sudden huge income of mobs it also is better to just use SG 1 instead of whatever higher level you were using. (Ignore this is the mobs are undead or water elemental. Those do not freeze rom SG.)

Frozen mobs = harmless mobs and you don't want your party to wipe.

 

 

Things like 50 base int and 20 base vit so you can rush 120 dex at 99 WL are very fun, but only work if you have the gears to support a build like that. :heh:

The better your gears, the lower your int can be.

 

(Seriously I have seen so many 1 vit wiz in low TI, without phen ofc, casting SG 10 - even when just being ressed after a oneshot with a huge mob in party - when clearly their cattime was too slow for that. Always ended with the party dieing, unless there was some 3rd class char keeping them alive. Makes me cry inside. D: )


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:40 AM

i currently have no zeny/gear but just eden gears =P

 

eden gear does its job but i dunno how i can start saving up for gears past lvl100+


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:46 AM

i was thinking of farming for phen, vitata and creamy card but i figured lvling up would be priority....


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:30 AM

The struggle will begin after you're a level 150 Warlock. XD My first character was a warlock, and it took me 6~7 months to max level him. The second one took ~3 months to level 170, then I stopped leveling him. He's 172 now purely on killing Bakonawas and Celine Kimis.

 

Well I would say the struggle starts at lv.140, since the Scarabas wont give good EXP anymore(they are below lv.140) but NCT is yet to open(requires lv.150). I dont know what kind of monsters between lv140-150 that a warlock can fight at this point of time.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:39 PM

In my case from 126-150 it was both High TI and Scarabas bounties and it wasn't that slow. Thought then again it all depends mostly on available gears
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:18 PM

Scarabas was the fastest way for me aswell, i make The whole Bounty tho so i farm Edén merit badges aswell, i found it rather fast, granted you can one shot things there.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:22 PM

This pretty much for people with little gears.

Also do not forget to grab some vit if you want to level in TI.

~50 base vit is a pretty good value to keep you alive/not oneshotted in TI if you don't have good damage reduction gears.

Having Safety Wall to protect yourself is also really useful.

Your main role in low TI as Wiz is to keep your party alive by freezing things (this is even more true if people in your party are mostly eden geared). Your secondary role is to deal AoE damage.

You do not have to use SG 10 for those things, just go with a level where you can easily keep up SG - if that is only SG 5, stick to SG 5.

If there is a sudden huge income of mobs it also is better to just use SG 1 instead of whatever higher level you were using. (Ignore this is the mobs are undead or water elemental. Those do not freeze rom SG.)

Frozen mobs = harmless mobs and you don't want your party to wipe.

 

 

Things like 50 base int and 20 base vit so you can rush 120 dex at 99 WL are very fun, but only work if you have the gears to support a build like that. :heh:

The better your gears, the lower your int can be.

 

(Seriously I have seen so many 1 vit wiz in low TI, without phen ofc, casting SG 10 - even when just being ressed after a oneshot with a huge mob in party - when clearly their cattime was too slow for that. Always ended with the party dieing, unless there was some 3rd class char keeping them alive. Makes me cry inside. D: )

 

VIT 50 Wiz is NO FUN Wiz. :P Just go pumping INT. I wouldn't think of leaving 55 INT before I had my +15 Crimson Rod (+12 TSoD or La'cryma or even +12 Crimson Rod would work as well), and my +9 of Sorcery Temporal DEX Boots (though a Spell5 temporal Dex would do as well) and FAW. And I even have a double Spell3 RWC Pendant with Creamy for my low levels. :P

 

Though something to consider is to get 90 INT and DEX for cast and put the rest in VIT. The extra 9 INT/DEX will not make such a big difference. And wizard's base HP is SOOOO low that even getting 50 VIT won't really help you survive that much. If you're poorly positioned in low ti, you will die. Period. Getting Shields with racist cards help, but won't be enough to save you when you screw up your positioning.

 

i currently have no zeny/gear but just eden gears =P

 

eden gear does its job but i dunno how i can start saving up for gears past lvl100+

i was thinking of farming for phen, vitata and creamy card but i figured lvling up would be priority....

 

Between Phen and Orlean's Gown, get the cheapest. Geffen Robes are cheaper nowadays, but still expensive for a new player. You will want a Spellflow Shadow Set later, but the orleans gown or Phen Card will save you a lot.

 

And for Vitata, before you can save enough to buy it, you should always start your leveling by spending some 10~15 minutes in the map east of Tharas killing those lizard-like things for Aloes and Hinalles before going to actual monster hunting. It will speed your leveling A LOT, and you can even sell the Aloes for some money and use the Hinalles. That's what I used to do. Hinalles are great until level 120, maybe later, I don't rememeber when I effectively started using Aloes, but soon after I bought a Vitata Card. I leveled while trying to make some money. For example, you can level in Nagas as soon as you can one-shot them (before level 110, I guess), and you can use them to make High Energy Cristals. This helped me a lot back in the day. You will want an Aqua Robe, though, which used to cost ~1M, I don't know now.

 

Well I would say the struggle starts at lv.140, since the Scarabas wont give good EXP anymore(they are below lv.140) but NCT is yet to open(requires lv.150). I dont know what kind of monsters between lv140-150 that a warlock can fight at this point of time.

 

But you can still go to High TI in level 140. After that the real struggle begins, specially if you're undergeared and can't level properly at NCT. I remember when I started NCTing that I could barely TI a couple BBs with a single manual. It REALLY sucks.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:16 PM

thanks for the advice ! =)


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:42 PM

Ranger AB > Geneticist AB... :v

lol seriously


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

Well I would say the struggle starts at lv.140, since the Scarabas wont give good EXP anymore(they are below lv.140) but NCT is yet to open(requires lv.150). I dont know what kind of monsters between lv140-150 that a warlock can fight at this point of time.


Does no one go to bio 4 parties anymore? That was where i spent my 150-175. The "kill 100 of each 2-2 job classes" quest takes less than an hour and gives alot of exp even in the 170s.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:17 PM

VIT 50 Wiz is NO FUN Wiz. :P Just go pumping INT. I wouldn't think of leaving 55 INT before I had my +15 Crimson Rod (+12 TSoD or La'cryma or even +12 Crimson Rod would work as well), and my +9 of Sorcery Temporal DEX Boots (though a Spell5 temporal Dex would do as well) and FAW. And I even have a double Spell3 RWC Pendant with Creamy for my low levels. :P

 

Though something to consider is to get 90 INT and DEX for cast and put the rest in VIT. The extra 9 INT/DEX will not make such a big difference. And wizard's base HP is SOOOO low that even getting 50 VIT won't really help you survive that much. If you're poorly positioned in low ti, you will die. Period. Getting Shields with racist cards help, but won't be enough to save you when you screw up your positioning.

 

The casttime does not differ that much between 60~70 dex and 90 dex, SG's fixed casttime be thanked.

You can have 90 int, 50 vit, 60 dex at level 86, and you will end up with your 90 int, 90 dex, 50 vit at 99 (on a normal non-rebirth Wiz). :P

50 vit vs 1 vit at lvl 86 means a bit more than 1.2k additional HP.

1.2k HP on a Wiz is a lot and can make the difference between getting oneshot or not.

Wiz as only AoE only really works well if there either is a Stringer in party or if the Wiz has good gears.

If there is a Stringer you can pretty much roll a 1 dex Wiz and still have a good casttime with SG 10 => better get more vit for more survivability.

If the Wiz has good gears (that's not the case I was talking about btw) he can lower int because of well... gears.

If the Wiz is not the only AoE/has bad gears/no Strings then there is no reason to cast SG 10, better choose a level of SG where you can keep it up easily (even with 99 int/dex that will not be SG 10 if your only gears are eden + phen).

 

 

 

Does no one go to bio 4 parties anymore? That was where i spent my 150-175. The "kill 100 of each 2-2 job classes" quest takes less than an hour and gives alot of exp even in the 170s.

 

There still are Bio4 parties.

Go ahead and join them if you are a Sorc.

As WL you really are better off just grinding in NCT, as you would only be taken as GWinger or leech anyways.


Edited by kubikyuu, 21 April 2017 - 11:23 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 01:31 AM

There still are Bio4 parties.
Go ahead and join them if you are a Sorc.
As WL you really are better off just grinding in NCT, as you would only be taken as GWinger or leech anyways.


Warlocks do have a use, their job is to continuously freeze monsters for crowd control so less party members could be injured. Parties only needed one though.

There was no nct yet when i was leveling.
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 03:02 AM

Warlocks do have a use, their job is to continuously freeze monsters for crowd control so less party members could be injured. Parties only needed one though.

There was no nct yet when i was leveling.

 

And by the time you find a Bio4 party for 1 run as WL you could have gained at least 10 times the exp by just soloing NCT.

I personally see freeze as problematic in Bio4, as the mobs are permanently unfrozen anyways and it lowers the dmg the RKs do.

Better have an AB use Silentium.

 

I'm not saying WL in Bio4 does not work, I'm just saying that NCT is generally better for WL (considering the time to find a party, average number of runs on a random party, etc).


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:52 AM

My first WL was lvled mostly at Bio4, I either had to make a party and wait hours to finish it or some lucky days be recruited by someone for freezing purpose, but even so there were always RK's pretty much yelling everytime i used JF cause it reduced their dmg as Kubi said, i still finished my lvling in Bio4 with WL tho. But was a pain xD.
In Sorc case it is easier to get party at Bio4 but for some reason i lvled at NCT instead without ever touching Bio4. I think it was more fun that way just grinding all day
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 03:52 PM

Bio4 is way more poor-friendly if you have enough friends to take you as a demi-leecher there. Else, you probably won't find a party unless you are the gwinger, and it will probably not only be faster but also cheaper to get to 175 in NCT.

This game was good when leveling took only effort. Nowadays its almost impossible to get to max level without sacrificing a lot of zeny that could be used in gears that you'll need.
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 04:14 PM

make big bells earth 4 element then
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 04:31 PM

While lvling Sorc it took around 40-50 bmx to reach max, kinda like a week in time or so of grinding at NCT while spotlighted, one of the good sides of it is that you don't have strings. You can do it whenever you feel like which is totally different while doing Bio4. A lot of parties have annoying people plus sometimes the long multiple hours wait for runs that will end in a horrible development or even disbanding.
One more good thing about NCT is the crazy JEXP you get in there, you'll most likely reach job 60 before getting to 175

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 02:55 PM

quick question, 

 

for general use, wot weapon do you guys think its the best?

 

+11 thorn staff + +9 skull cap

 

pororoca shoes + stick

 

+15 crimson rod

 

 

 


Edited by WhiteHerb, 23 April 2017 - 03:03 PM.

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 04:41 PM

Crimson Rod is the best if you don't have the complete combos. Pororoca + La'cryma is best against High MDEF  targets (mainly MVPs).


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 10:47 AM

I think the OP went with Sorcerer, in this case Pororoca set wont be very useful since Sorcerers dont have Frost Nova(no MDEF piercing) and WaterBall(no boost in skill damage).


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 12:23 PM

I think the OP went with Sorcerer, in this case Pororoca set wont be very useful since Sorcerers dont have Frost Nova(no MDEF piercing) and WaterBall(no boost in skill damage).

 

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