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Poll: RT View of third classes (258 member(s) have cast votes)

I view third classes as being a ______ influence to the RT server.

  1. Positive (44 votes [17.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.05%

  2. Neutral (15 votes [5.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.81%

  3. Negative (199 votes [77.13%])

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#51 Ovrr

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:19 PM

 

The studio firmly believes that the best route moving forward is to implement third-jobs and follow an update plan similar to the Renewal servers. Since we know that the system implemented now might be unappealing to the RT community, we want to take the opportunity over the next few weeks to gather user feedback regarding the system, so as to make adjustments to fit the RT community's expectations.

 

This seems to be a lack of creativity than a plan.
Most of the server plays RT because it is the closest we have to a kRO (Ragnarok Zero).
 

The team of developers will make the same mistake that happens in bRO-Asgard.
They made 2 identical servers and after a few years they merged ( bRO-Odin + bRO-Asgard = bRO-Vahalla )

The big reason the server is still alive is because people expect RT to someday get close to what Ragnarok Zero is and I'm sure the Dev Team knows that.

I don't think the discussion  "How is the best way to implement the 3rd job" is valid. Just discard that idea and work to do what the community wants so much

º All maps with monster champions
º More Fever Fields
º Instances
º BG and KVM
º Better Woe schedule
º End game MvP drops with option
º Re-roll Options
º 120/70
º Second Rebalance
º Nerf Knights
º Don't rush the content 
º New content periodically
º EAC update
º More events
º More costumes

I can see years of update since your team run out of ideas...  Just discard that idea of 3rd please.

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#52 10157574756272593

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:26 PM

I would entertain the idea of 120/70 eventually. I'm playing this server because it doesn't have 3rd jobs, and the implementation of them would make me quit. 


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#53 euphoria1

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:27 PM

No for 3rd. 


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#54 AnyoneYouKnow

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:31 PM

3rd Jobs only could be a thing it things were totally different from Renewal server, like max level 150 with 3rd skill rebalances (lol), and without any kind of jRO gears. This situation only could go well with a very good management, customizing everything related to 3rd Classes content such instances, dungeons and cards.
Otherwise, I don't think 3rd classes is the way to go as the Studio says, since Chaos server is kinda empity already and the results only could go in a big fail.

Ps: I already think 3rd classes can make RT going out of the route it was supposed to be.


Edited by AnyoneYouKnow, 17 September 2020 - 12:32 PM.

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#55 leokojiro

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:33 PM

please do not! do not bring the third classes to RT. most players who play RT don't want that.
this server still has a future

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:34 PM

Strongly against the idea of adding 3rd jobs to Transcendence. Chaos already fills that role, there is no reason to have 2 of the same server. 

Next updates should be 120/70 or the second skills balance patch that kRO Zero implemented.


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#57 ChakriGuard

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:37 PM

This server aint Classic. There were good reasons why Classic server died and closed. No updates, dead server. Theoretically speaking, more renewal updates will come and characters have to evolve. So yes, 3rd classes have to come.

The studio isn't wrong about the best route, but the studio should do it gradually.
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#58 warQck

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:39 PM

we don't want 3rd jobs here 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:40 PM

no thx to 3rd.

 

Ragnarok Zero managed to scale instances to 120/70 should we can do that here too.


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#60 AllenWalker420

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:46 PM

I played Ragnarok from 2004-2009. Much say that was the golden era of the game. This year due to some friends and also the pandemic I embraced a journey to play again this game.

The fact that I did that is because this is the Ragnarok that I love and most people here love too. This server is all about the true remake of the golden era of the game.

If 3rd classes are implemented all this vibe and hype built around the server will die. I will quit for sure. The game isn’t interesting anymore in other servers and the reason is because of 3rds.

As a fellow player and lover of this game, please don’t include 3rd classes.

Hope you hear your community that still supports you besides all the delays and bad choices.

Edited by AllenWalker420, 17 September 2020 - 12:49 PM.

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#61 qzLxEnchantress

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:46 PM


This seems to be a lack of creativity than a plan.
Most of the server plays RT because it is the closest we have to a kRO (Ragnarok Zero).

The team of developers will make the same mistake that happens in bRO-Asgard.
They made 2 identical servers and after a few years they merged ( bRO-Odin + bRO-Asgard = bRO-Vahalla )

The big reason the server is still alive is because people expect RT to someday get close to what Ragnarok Zero is and I'm sure the Dev Team knows that.

I don't think the discussion "How is the best way to implement the 3rd job" is valid. Just discard that idea and work to do what the community wants so much

º All maps with monster champions
º More Fever Fields
º Instances
º BG and KVM
º Better Woe schedule
º End game MvP drops with option
º Re-roll Options
º 120/70
º Second Rebalance
º Nerf Knights
º Don't rush the content
º New content periodically
º EAC update
º More events
º More costumes

I can see years of update since your team run out of ideas... Just discard that idea of 3rd please.

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#62 BoniexDemius

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:49 PM

 

Isso parece mais falta de criatividade do que plano.
A maior parte do servidor joga RT porque é o mais próximo que temos de um kRO (Ragnarok Zero).
 

A equipe de desenvolvedores cometerá o mesmo erro que acontece no bRO-Asgard.
Eles fizeram 2 servidores idênticos e depois de alguns anos eles se fundiram (bRO-Odin + bRO-Asgard = bRO-Vahalla)

O grande motivo pelo qual o servidor ainda está vivo é porque as pessoas esperam que o RT um dia chegue perto do que Ragnarok Zero é e eu ' tenho certeza que a Dev Team sabe disso.

Não acho que a discussão "Qual a melhor forma de implementar o 3º trabalho" seja válida. Basta descartar essa ideia e trabalhar para fazer o que a comunidade tanto deseja

º Todos os mapas com campeões de monstros
º Mais Campos de Febre
º Instâncias
º BG e KVM
º Melhor plano de infortúnio
º Fim do jogo MvP cai com a opção
º Opções de
relançar º 120/70
º Segundo Rebalance
º Nerf Knights
º Não apresse o conteúdo 
º Novo conteúdo periodicamente
º Atualização da EAC
º Mais eventos
º Mais fantasias

Posso ver anos de atualização desde que sua equipe ficou sem ideias ...   Basta descartar essa ideia do 3º por favor.

 

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I don't think the discussion  "How is the best way to implement the 3rd job" is valid. Just discard that idea and work to do what the community wants so much

º All maps with monster champions
º More Fever Fields
º Instances
º BG and KVM
º Better Woe schedule
º End game MvP drops with option
º Re-roll Options
º 120/70
º Second Rebalance
º Nerf Knights
º Don't rush the content 
º New content periodically
º EAC update
º More events
º More costumes


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#63 rockzillio

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:56 PM

As most of the people said here, please don't add third jobs to this server. You can add content by giving us new instances, new quest, new fever fields, expanded transclass levels to 120 and so on.

You can try to adapt the instances that are designed for the third jobs to the transclass jobs that we have.

Also, I think it is important to discuss the expanded job classes, whether people want them or not.


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#64 Rezar

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:58 PM

Here's my analogy for the day:

 

Trans: Air Force Ones

3rd Jobs: Lebrons

 

Sure the Lebrons are more functional and wont hurt as much on your feet after you come down from a dunk but some people just like the throwback style and look of the Air Force Ones!


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#65 JerseyNinja

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:58 PM

Im going to call it right now, ya'll [WP and the studio] want to merge this server with the main server, hence why you/they want third classes in. You're not gonna care about the changes we want, cause were gonna end up merging with the chaos server when everyone leaves after you implement the  3rd class update. 

 

Im extremely disappointed.

 

We were marketed a totally different product than what are getting.


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#66 SettlerofCatan

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 12:58 PM

I theorize, that with the lack of time in between trans and 3rd classes (seriously though, late october, into november?) That you guys want to speed up the process, and merge with chaos. 

 

There is absolutely NO REASON you dragged NON TRANS classes for 9 months. And are only planning to have trans classes for 1-2 months. 

 

What bull-_- is that? 

 


If your end goal is to speed things up to merge with chaos. consider that the death of this server. EVERYONE is going to quit on you, and you would have spent all this time for nothing. 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:13 PM

3rd is horrible, extremely toxic to the server.
Do not make the mistake of by 3rd, if you do, there will be a lot of people leaving the server.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:17 PM

 

 

You don't play this server. Your opinion has no value here. 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:17 PM

Honestly, I would love to see 3rd classes come once certain things are in place beforehand.
 
Firstly, expanded classes and towns. There's little reason not to bring them in at this point with trans classes. Many players want them.
 
We should get all the updates, adjusted for RT, that come prior to 3rd job. There are towns and quests that we don't have yet that are part of the trans class era. We really just want to be the English RO:Zero for the most part. Let's get the content that comes to build up to getting 3rd class before we release them then! 
 
Releasing content in small updates more regularly to keep players entertained would also be really nice. I am sure it's a lot of work the way things are, but the more love the studio shows our server the more of us who are going to stick around and spend money. Also: can we get wigs fixed so they have proper priority for how they display? I mean c'mon. 
 
NO OCP and 3rd skills rebalanced. Way back when RO was in it's prime... it was hard. Part of what people enjoyed was that the game was fun to grind and getting to max level was an achievement. Players today might disagree but if we're going to have 3rd classes, then they should take some serious effort to get to as well. OCP was made for a different version of RO than what we play. I don't think any of the players on Poring want those overpowered gears ruining the game and market. Skills would have to be adjusted to not be overpowered for RT. The other option is to adjust higher level monsters to actually present a challenge to fit the skills and classes when they are released. There is no reason for the later game areas to be something players can steamroll. WoE does not have to be the sole point of the game. Some of us like PvE. There are many ways that 3rd could be implemented without breaking the game, but no matter what they would have to be largely adjusted to fit the server instead of their current forms.
 
Make it hard again. Especially with the possibilities opened for builds that are often overlooked due to the stats on equipment now, if we can get more of that going, there are possibilities to really make RT lively and fun. There are very few true new players to RO, so why not change things to give old players a sense of excitement again. 
 
Players came to this server for something a bit different than Chaos offers. I don't mind 3rd classes, but they need to be adjusted to the needs and players of Poring--not a repeat of Chaos.
 

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#70 Lunameira

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:29 PM

No to 3rd jobs~ 

 

I came to the server to avoid 3rd jobs ~ 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:29 PM

So what I posted (about the server dying and warpportal has given up and will just merge us to chaos) back in June is coming true. The only reason why the fast track to 3rd class is to reduce server cost by eventually merging the servers together...

 

We were fed a lie from the beginning @Campitor said "RT is an improvement on the Ragnarok Zero Server with its own unique settings, balance, and content." (https://forums.warpp...-transcendence/) There was ZERO effort made to make this server an improvement on Ragnarok Zero....the server could barely even be considered a Ragnarok Zero server; barely anything from ragnarok zero made it to RT. The server seems more like a beta test of migrating some Ragnarok Zero features over into the main Ragnarok server. 

 

The future is non-existent for this server. I and many others have posted before what needs to be done to make this server better, but you have ignored that feedback when it could have matter.

 

Opening this thread and asking for feedback is a joke. You guys will do what you want to do ignoring our feedback. You will abandon this server and merge it with Chaos spinning the idea that the Chaos server will be getting new features and players on the Poring server are just out of luck.

 

My advice to everyone is to just move on...there are better things out there. I had already moved on, but took a look at the forums because a friend of mine mentioned Trans is coming out today and I WANTED to give it a chance but it's DOA with this post.


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#72 AaronP2W

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:32 PM

 

The studio firmly believes that the best route moving forward is to implement third-jobs and follow an update plan similar to the Renewal servers. Since we know that the system implemented now might be unappealing to the RT community, we want to take the opportunity over the next few weeks to gather user feedback regarding the system, so as to make adjustments to fit the RT community's expectations.

 

The timeline for this would be late October and into November.

 

We ask the following for this feedback:

  • Keep the feedback to this thread.
  • Provide actionable, constructive feedback.
    • Avoid simply stating that it will "kill the game" or "kill woe", but give examples such as "Third job AoE skills turn WoE into a one hit kill snooze fest" or "Gear from Mora gives too much resists in WoE"

 

 

This post confuses me. 

 

Why does the studio "firmly believe" the best route is implementing third jobs? 

However, at the same time you already know it will not be popular among the players who play the server?


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#73 veslores

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:35 PM

Hi.. :) .. Not trying to be a Karen or engage one also. But do not assume things in the name of the community, not every player who plays at RT use the forum and can say what they want for the future of the server.

 

I've been playing RO for almost 14 years, and, for the first time, at a none private server. I heard about RT while back when the plan wasn't even to be like R0. Didn't came from chaos/RE:START either. From my experience at playing all this time at plastics private servers, hearing about what RT could become, really sparked back the RO flame on me. And I'm really committed with it.

 

I'm not here to take space from the WoE folks.. I'm here to remind that there are randoms PvM/PvP players at the server too and they should be heard as well.

 

+1 to 3rd jobs.

 

Don't need to be in 2~4 months, we just got Trans. Take your time. Do a well-done/balanced server that will work and function with this new release. From what I've learned from all this years at randoms servers.. THINGS GET BORED! We need to keep the content flowing. Saying NO to 3rd, EVER, will make no sense. I understand that some of you guys played at iRO's servers and stuff. But RT is unique and being it self, made both, randoms like me, and old iRO players, play at this same server.. Looking for this new approach for an old fashion game. Ignoring his growth or natural path could cripple the server, resulting in old mistakes. Same thing applies to fast-forwarding the content and feeding the crave for new release without balancing it properly.

 

Again..:

 

Take your time, do not commit silly past mistakes. Communicate with every one, consider in-game communication suggestions as well. Keep pay-to-win equips away from Kafra Shop. Try to balance while releasing content at this new format. Don't try to replicate anything, copy the good -_- and thrash away whats bad.

 

That's my take on it.

 

PS.: take note that English is not my birth language.

 

GG, boys. CYA!


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:35 PM

  • Third job AoE skills turn WoE into a one hit kill snooze fest
  • Gear from Mora gives too much resists in WoE

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM

This post confuses me. 

 

Why does the studio "firmly believe" the best route is implementing third jobs? 

However, at the same time you already know it will not be popular among the players who play the server?

They saw that it costs X to keep up RT, but the revenue that RT was generating is less than X. So instead of having multiple servers (Chaos, and Poring) burning money they want a plan to eventually have just 1 server with the hopes that the cost of running the server is less than the amount of money it generates.


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