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#101 Springer

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:30 PM

I think the best solution to this problem is by simply delete Valk server and give 1 week notice to anyone who play in that server to either move to Ymir/Ygg ($20/acc) or lose their accounts.
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#102 SamuelAdams

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:01 PM

We can't make the ones we sell tradable due to chargeback issues that will occur. But if you ask, we will make accomodations for its trading for individual cases.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this at least.
I'm gonna need to trade 3 or so of em.
Bad news is you are gonna get flooded with tickets again. xD

Off topic:
Hey springer, why not just have us pay for each of our accounts we have now, and any new ones made have to pay a small fee.
Making it more difficult than it has to be there for your solution. -.-
Plus, why would I want to move to a server I don't want to be in? Ever since joining, guys always seem harsh toward everyone on valk in these forums. (Cept for a few I respect)
Talking about the stones and changes anyway, not what to do with our server. -.-

Edited by SamuelAdams, 19 October 2010 - 10:12 PM.

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#103 GuardianTK

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:32 PM

leave pserver discussions out of it, if you dont know what you are talking about. scripts, and patches of codes for various new contents are added from community contributions and leaks from mostly the asian ros (cRo). only thing salvageable is the translations (which is poorly done anyway).

Still doesn't change the fact that a server is a server. Do you know how much servers cost to stay up and updated? Let alone several servers. They most definitely don't run for free. :P Oi! Check out the electric bill on this bad boy!
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#104 darkevangelion

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 01:23 AM

Do not understand why we pay for the inefficiency of the GM's, we know that the bot is an excuse, or recognized as not doing their job and are leaving the bots? ...

Leaving aside, many bots use the Kafra Shop and take a long time why they bann...

Not much money, but -_- that and for whatever we want blood, and I think many people stop playing for that.


PD. Sorry for the bad english and with some word I use translator xP

Edited by darkevangelion, 20 October 2010 - 01:24 AM.

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#105 igzz

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 01:59 AM

Ok if they make the Stone thing item for buying in playspan (like they said in the first post) and its worth 100 ultimate points sounds good for me.

At least they gave us another option!! I just hope my WP account wasnt suspended u_u and I dont ever know why D:


The playspan stones should be implemented ASAP (like, straight after maint). The people who are gonna support this 100 points for end-game content thing aren't gonna go through the long process of buying atlest $10 worth of Warp Portal Energy for each of their 10 accounts. We all know playspan>WP>buying options is quite a tedious process. (Yes I'm a valk player, we tend to use different accounts for each high-leveled character...)

Edited by igzz, 20 October 2010 - 02:03 AM.

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#106 ikeren

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 02:56 AM

leave pserver discussions out of it, if you dont know what you are talking about. scripts, and patches of codes for various new contents are added from community contributions and leaks from mostly the asian ros (cRo). only thing salvageable is the translations (which is poorly done anyway).

This is just wrong, all you have to do is search a few pserver forums to find they've already raped iRO's renewal patches.
There are some who've used cRO's etc, but there's still a ton who were waiting on iRO's.
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#107 devinz999

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 04:04 AM

/ho

Edited by devinz999, 20 October 2010 - 04:05 AM.

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#108 Kialee

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 04:17 AM

To everyone not happy about what Gravity is doing. There's no use in flamming. It'll get you nowhere AND will only cause you headaches.

As for the stone requirement for 3rd class job change on Valk. I'm a Valk player and I can definately see how it would help. Bots are a major problem.. I'd rather not see it made worse by a bunch of 3rd job ones running around. Hopefully they'll start banning bots again on a regular basis once everything from renewal and such settles down.

As for the stones requirement for stat/skill resets... Are you SERIOUSLY whinning about that?!! :P Right now we have no way to do a full reset and many of us wish that there was. Even to just get 20 points reallocated costs real money and then you have to buy a neutralizer for a stat reset which costs 1000 kp... You're whining about having to pay 500 kp or so for a FULL reset when before you were gladly paying the $20 for just 20 points stat realocation and then buying a kp to reset your stats. Only thing I can say about is... Grow the F up. Be glad that they're makeing full resets available at all. Use the Free resets while you can (They're available until Nov 5th) and then accept the fact that it's CHEAPER to do so later then it has been in the past.

Thanks for trying to make things better Gravity.
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#109 cRoc

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:27 AM

the reset is definitly cheaper, but i wonder if it wont lead to misuse or abuse
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:31 AM

I don't want to see this thread turning into people arguing/trolling again over "whining." Posts that do so will be deleted.


Wait, people can praise the idea, but not express thier dissatisfaction? When did the iRO forums become fascist? - Sigh (To be fair, I don't disprove of the reset stones, just don't like being told I can't complain when I am in fact, a paying customer. I have given quite a bit of hard-earned money to this game over the years)
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:33 AM

the reset is definitly cheaper, but i wonder if it wont lead to misuse or abuse


Actually, it would have been a bit imbalanced in pre-renewal, where specialized builds for WoE characters (or other kinds of specialized characters, such as forgers) had to be either leeched by guildmates or take an awful lot of zeny/time to level up; in those days, you get what you pay for, so to speak. In renewal however, due to the changes in stat mechanics, going hybrid (100 total stats in your four most important stats) is alot more viable; specialized builds don't always win over hybrid stat build as much as in pre-renewal, so you can have your forger smith builds running around with a Veteran Axe[2] and level like a regular smith, more or less. Point is, it's now less game-breaking to reset to a build that normally takes alot of investment, since almost anything can work now.
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#112 Resplendent

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:33 AM

Wait, people can praise the idea, but not express thier dissatisfaction? When did the iRO forums become fascist? - Sigh (To be fair, I don't disprove of the reset stones, just don't like being told I can't complain when I am in fact, a paying customer. I have given quite a bit of hard-earned money to this game over the years)



I did not say that. I'm talking about people complaining about other people complaining.
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#113 NeoNilox

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:45 AM

as i may understand, this must be done without too much trolling/flamming because that's teh reason (mostly) of the thread de-railing

however, i'd wish the people who achieved the 3rd class were able to trade their Stones only for said purpose
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:49 AM

Please stop this nonsense <,<

Making people pay for 3rd cls is ridiculous, unnecessary and does not serve a purpose. What is the point?? THERE IS NONE.

Implement this for account creation, this would HELP. Compare this idea to yours, IT ACTUALLY WOULD CHANGE THINGS. IT WOULD ACTUALLY AFFECT THE NUMBER OF BOTS, yours DOES NOT. THINK.

I still can't believe you are serious.

And this reset stone system has been on aRO for a year LOL, never thought you would implement this crap one day. Or any way of full reset via cash shop, and available permanently...

I lost all hope in this server ):
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#115 iCare

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:58 AM

I bet this is the right time for most of you to stop playing and start thinking about getting a real job (that pays you).
200kp per stone is not that bad. Yet, they reduced it to 100kp just to make more reasonable for QQs.
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#116 Ginme

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:00 AM

so...Heim mentionned on the previous Thread that Playspan will sell the Token thing for the stone...

http://forums.warppo...post__p__142007

is that still viable...?
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#117 denpa

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:19 AM

Though i am willing to slave through them..
is it just me or
are the free kafra points offers not there anymore :v
They have either relocated or disappeared.

[edit] Oh nevermind i found them.
You have to actually go into the game account, not just the warp portal points buying place..
i wonder how i got that one wrong

Edited by denpa, 20 October 2010 - 07:20 AM.

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#118 Haldor

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:22 AM

Please stop this nonsense <,<

Making people pay for 3rd cls is ridiculous, unnecessary and does not serve a purpose. What is the point?? THERE IS NONE.

Implement this for account creation, this would HELP. Compare this idea to yours, IT ACTUALLY WOULD CHANGE THINGS. IT WOULD ACTUALLY AFFECT THE NUMBER OF BOTS, yours DOES NOT. THINK.

I still can't believe you are serious.

And this reset stone system has been on aRO for a year LOL, never thought you would implement this crap one day. Or any way of full reset via cash shop, and available permanently...

I lost all hope in this server ):


Think about it, honestly. What's going to drive away more people? Having to pay to create an account to start playing, or having to pay to unlock content to become stronger after the player is obviously enjoying the game enough to have gotten level 99(esp Trans 99). Valk was made to replace free trials. Now 1-99 or 1-99 then 1-99 trans is your free trial. Further content is 1 dollar. Sounds reasonable to me.

I think it would help with bots a little bit. They won't be able to bot on maps with higher level monsters, which will limit them somewhat in what they can bot. (Except for the botters that pay for it/CC fraud)
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:36 AM

@Haldor: Damn right! I dont see any reason why not pushing a little bit more to enjoy 3rd job. If you made it to Novice-Trans 99 non-bot, this is not a problem at all. And for those who wanna quit the game, good luck to your new game. I felt so crowded in valk anyways. Besides (for quitters) it might be the most awaited solution to decrease botting in valk. :P

Anyways, did they came up with new ASPD Formula yet?
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:39 AM

New content has always been behind a pay wall on valk anyways, I don't see the big issue.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:44 AM

Like Hiem said getting 100 aint too hard just give it time it might turn out that hay this is only for a limited time(using stone for 3rd class). Also a neuralizer was for skills not stats might have just been a type o from you but just letting you know.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:45 AM

New content has always been behind a pay wall on valk anyways, I don't see the big issue.


if said "pay wall" were temporary like several patches behing this one (new episode for example), i don't see the big issue either. But this is not the case :P
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#123 denpa

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:54 AM

i have changed my mind
lol the hourly wage of free kp deals must be like $.50-2.00 per hour or something
its better just to pay for it directly.
or don't even bother.
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#124 Evionne

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:58 AM

Oh, remember when people were all, "OMG ITS GOING TO BREAK THE GAME!" when the 20 stat reset? Then when people were all, "OMG ITS TOO EXPENSIVE!" when they put in a full stat reset for the same price, IF you were max level? You guys were so silly then.<3

Oh wait.

To everyone not happy about what Gravity is doing. There's no use in flamming. It'll get you nowhere AND will only cause you headaches.

As for the stone requirement for 3rd class job change on Valk. I'm a Valk player and I can definately see how it would help. Bots are a major problem.. I'd rather not see it made worse by a bunch of 3rd job ones running around. Hopefully they'll start banning bots again on a regular basis once everything from renewal and such settles down.

As for the stones requirement for stat/skill resets... Are you SERIOUSLY whinning about that?!! :P Right now we have no way to do a full reset and many of us wish that there was. Even to just get 20 points reallocated costs real money and then you have to buy a neutralizer for a stat reset which costs 1000 kp... You're whining about having to pay 500 kp or so for a FULL reset when before you were gladly paying the $20 for just 20 points stat realocation and then buying a kp to reset your stats. Only thing I can say about is... Grow the F up. Be glad that they're makeing full resets available at all. Use the Free resets while you can (They're available until Nov 5th) and then accept the fact that it's CHEAPER to do so later then it has been in the past.

Thanks for trying to make things better Gravity.



Because this needs to be repeated.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:03 AM

this one as well

"suck it up and move on!
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