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#51 Baturiano

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:10 AM

Genes don't do 500k-2m damage in one hit.

 

They can fight ghost mvps ffs. So what if the sura does 2m damage? You need to setup to that the gene can just start bombing the MVP with little to no setup at all.


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#52 firewind

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:12 AM

They can fight ghost mvps ffs. So what if the sura does 2m damage? You need to setup to that the gene can just start bombing the MVP with little to no setup at all.

 

bombing res bombing res bombing res


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:13 AM

I'm only saying to keep the cd, not the SP penalty because its so stupid how we're sitting ducks in PVP/PVM everytime we use gfist.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:14 AM

bombing res bombing res bombing res

 

A sura that fists valk and does not kill it in one hit will have a hard time setting back up compared to a genetic


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:14 AM

Genes don't do 500k-2m damage in one hit.

they can


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:14 AM

bomb resing is little to no effort


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:16 AM

not to mention that if u misclick on ur gfist, u are screwed and be ready for another 10-30secs to set up, if u get lucky wings too


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:16 AM

and gene can tank with painkiller or make more dmg with dieter


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:16 AM

getting linked on a sura does not solve the SP penalty.. wtf


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

overall the gene can kill all mvps without any problems the sura not


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:22 AM

Lol bomb ressing on Valk is actually quite a bit of effort.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:24 AM

is not only valk look at your video u kill beelz also with this ^^


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:31 AM

look, im not saying gfist isnt good, but there is no justification to the 10 sec cd + sp recovery

 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:33 AM

havent tested, but i assume that if you die you lose the sp cooldown and gfist cooldown.  if this is true, then obv you gfist --> poison bottle --> token --> gfist


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:45 AM

gfist + fwing then repeat  :thumb2:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:49 AM

havent tested, but i assume that if you die you lose the sp cooldown and gfist cooldown.  if this is true, then obv you gfist --> poison bottle --> token --> gfist

 

You also lose RD which hurts your damage, once you token you have to berry zen and fury. Assuming you dont have to speed pot away from the mvp to do that as most can kill you with berserk status. Oh and you lose FCP, so if anything you're still gimped.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:54 AM

Genetics need a fair of support (strings, sacrament) to outdamage a pre-nerf sura. Considering the material cost and how much more useful sura is in every other field of the game, the sura's current nerf makes sense.

If you really want mvp scene balance you'll need to talk about nerfing genetic in addition to lowering gfist damage before removing the cooldown.

A game where 1 to 2 options out of 16+ are considered a no-brainer because they are clearly and by far the best-- is poorly designed. It should be a system where you are torn 16 ways with indecision. There ared a lot of nerfs needed for the best skills to come down to what the other classes are currently able to achieve.

Edit: buff wanderer.

Edited by Jaye, 04 March 2014 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:56 AM

The moment GM remove gfist cooldown, another thread with "Nerf Sura please" will coming  :yawn:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

I like the way gfist works right now. Suras cannot just mindlessly spam Gfist all day without serious consequences.

Suras should have to choose whether to they want to ensure a kill with gfist, and be unable to act for the next 10 seconds, or if they want to risk getting the kill with GoH or TC, but never lose control of their character.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:07 AM

and then let genes walk away with 2 bombs per sec...? thats ridiculous

 

but i guess thats another issue, that genes are OP


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:21 AM

I never said I liked the way acid bomb works
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:25 AM

They can fight Ghost MVPs and apparently removing the SP penalty for Sura's will cause us to beat them at their game. wtf?


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

I suppose if we gave genetic access to cursed circle and mental strength it'd be fair if sura could hit ghosts.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:06 PM

well if those can actually help a sura solo. with the current nerf on gfist, i still dont see how mental strength or cursed circle helps...


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:07 PM

lets not forget fcp is a life saver support skill too, and thats only one of the many awesome skills genes have


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